Ribbon Bar (Prusia & Bavaria)

[medalnet]

Is somebody able to identify the recipient:

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Prussia: Iron Cross 1914

Prussia: Red Eagle Order 3rd class with swords and bow

Prussia: Red Eagle Order

III.Reich: Hindenburg Cross

Prussia: Long Service Cross for officers 25 years

Prussia: Centenial medal

Bavaria: Military Merit Order 3rd class with crown and swords

Bavaria: Military Merit Order 4th class with crown

[Guest Rick Research]

Maybe on the RAO4/BMVO4mKr/BMVO3XmKr combination, but it will take a LOT of looking at every single Oberstleutnant and Oberst on the BMVO3XmKr list...

and still will come up short on those weird wartime rear area/retiree type Red Eagles like that with bow the Milit?r Wochenblatt just did not bother listing accurately!

I suspect he will be a zD or recalled aD type rather than an active duty staff officer, because there are no OTHER wartime awards.

I have to go take my heart attack medication now... I'm short of breath after gazing enraptured on THIS beauty!

[Paul R]

I have never seen so many trinkets and danglies on a German ribbon bar!! Very interesting indeed

[Stogieman]

Greetings Andreas. Very special bar.... you know who is already, don't you???

[medalnet]

Greetings Andreas. Very special bar.... you know who is already, don't you???

I do actually don't know. Still hopeing for help. The regular Ranklists I have did not bring up the candiate.

[Bernd D]

Andreas,

I can only reduce the list of possible recipients of this medalbar:

Oberst Aquirin Brassart

Oberst Ernst von Chrismar

Oberst Karl Kraemer

Oberstlt von Massow

Bernd

[webr55]

Andreas,

I can only reduce the list of possible recipients of this medalbar:

Oberst Aquirin Brassart

Oberst Ernst von Chrismar

Oberst Karl Kraemer

Oberstlt von Massow

Bernd

Of those, I think it could only be Brassart. Chrismar and Kraemer did not get a BMVO3XKr, and the v. Massow who did was an iG type with many other awards.

Oberst Brassart was director of the fireworks lab in Spandau. I'm not sure about his first name (Otto Quinn? Quirin? Aquirin?). Can't find any wartime Prussian awards in the MilWochenblatt. But he got the BMVO3XKr on 28.4.1916 and retired as Generalmajor aD. And he was alive in 1935: born 1860, died 1944.

Chris

[Bernd D]

Of those, I think it could only be Brassart. Chrismar and Kraemer did not get a BMVO3XKr, and the v. Massow who did was an iG type with many other awards.

Sorry, but Chrismar received his 3. class with crown and swords 18 Oct 1917 and Kraemer 29 Apr 1917.

Bernd

[webr55]

Sorry, but Chrismar received his 3. class with crown and swords 18 Oct 1917 and Kraemer 29 Apr 1917.

Bernd

May I ask where that information comes from? 'Cause I cannot find them in the lists published by Autengruber.

[Bernd D]

I own a little bit more detailed list about this decoration. Roth stated himself that his list is not complete.

[Deruelle]

Hi,

In the RL 1914, Oberst Brassart has got the following medals

PRAO4, PKO3, BMVO4 mit Krone, DA, Centenar medal.

Wartime award : BMVO3X mit Krone

Can't find the dat eof the RAO3 mit X and bow.

That's all I find

Regards

Christophe

[webr55]

Anyway, Ernst v. Chrismar got the Baden Karl Friedrich Order on 25.8.1915.

[Willi]

Brassart got the BMVO crown X April 28th. 1916.

[medalnet]

and the answer is:

Oberst z.D. Karl Kraemer.

MVO 4a am 18. Januar 1913 in Metz als Major.

MVO 3a X Sv am 29. April 1917 als Oberst.

RAO 3 Schl Schw am 14. September 1918.

[Guest Rick Research]

That's very good! I hate it when it takes 15 to 21 years to finally get an identification!