Ed_Haynes Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 And reverse. Help me understand, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul L Murphy Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Ed,Reading down the awards they are Red Star, Medal for Military Service (no number), Red Banner, Red Star, Red Banner, Red Star, Medal for Victory against Germany, Medal for Capture of Berlin, Medal for 30th anniversary of Armed Forces, Medal for Liberation of Prague. I am nor totally sure on the last three medals but the others are certain.Cheers,Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 (edited) The medals are:Red Star - 1.810.893Medal for Military Service - (no number)Red Banner - 385.x24Red Star - 3.309.251Red Banner - 454.034Red Star - 3.494.726Medal for Victory against Germany - (no number)Medal for Capture of Berlin - (no number)Medal for 30th anniversary of Armed Forces - (no number)Medal for Liberation of Prague - (no number)Then names in the Order book and the research name are different Mikhail Ivanovitch Guzov and Alexander Michailovitsch SchevarevThe only common medal seems to be the Red Banner, but I am not sure if the number of the Red Banner is right (see picture)The number in the Order books looks like a 7, the number in the award card looks like a 4.What number is on the backside of the Red Banner xxx.124 or xxx.724? Maybe wrong research ?Maybe you could post a picture of then backside of the Red Banner?regardsAndreas Edited December 19, 2006 by Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 (edited) Thanks, Alfred! You have sent me from sickbed to the bank to retrieve the group. The information I had (and what I sent to the researcher) was based on bad pre-in-hand scans.On checking, the Red Banner is, indeed, 385724 Back to the drawing board, back to the researcher!! Watch this space. Edited December 19, 2006 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 Re-research requested.Correct serial numbers, just to keep the record straight:Red Banner 385724Red Star 1923384Red Star 3000629Military Merit Medal 1458581Victory GermanyVictory JapanMongolian "We Won" 54271 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 So, there is still hope, that all turns to an good end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 That was a nasty shocker!!!!!! I suggest sending along the Orders Book number as well, and perhaps that helps, since the filing is apparently (????) all separately done but by anything that had a number on it. Also, did you only request the Red Banner or all of 'em? I'd ask for the 1st wartime Red Star, but the second one and the Red Banner are surely long service awards so will probably only be pages from a mass Ukaz bestowal.Drat-- the Wrong Fighter Pilot Guy had a fantastic career too!!!! His all but PAIRED Red Stars and Red Banners from 1951 and 1955 (with a 15 years long service REd Star in '56 meaning those 4 were most certainly NOT long services ) is very very interesting indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 That was a nasty shocker!!!!!! I suggest sending along the Orders Book number as well, and perhaps that helps, since the filing is apparently (????) all separately done but by anything that had a number on it. Also, did you only request the Red Banner or all of 'em? I'd ask for the 1st wartime Red Star, but the second one and the Red Banner are surely long service awards so will probably only be pages from a mass Ukaz bestowal.Drat-- the Wrong Fighter Pilot Guy had a fantastic career too!!!! His all but PAIRED Red Stars and Red Banners from 1951 and 1955 (with a 15 years long service REd Star in '56 meaning those 4 were most certainly NOT long services ) is very very interesting indeed.Well, Rick, it may not be so bad. As discussed above, the initial research request was submitted based on post-purchase but pre-custody information. And two of the serial numbers transmitted were wrong. Comrade Research started with the record card based on the RB, it came up mis-matched, and he stopped there. I have now resubmitted, sending not only a list (corrected) but scans or relevant document pages (not that he can do much on the Mongol gong). And I always ask for an EVERYTHING OF EVERYTHING research request, soup to nuts. Frankly, even long service citations often contain interesting career details. (Must dig out and post a long service RS to a barkeep that I don't think I have ever put up here....)As they say: Watch this space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 When I first started following this, I did not realize it was a group that originated from me. The medal bar threw me as the medals were loose when I had them. I'll be very interested to see how it turns out. The group originally came from the Admin of the Soviet Awards Forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 When I first started following this, I did not realize it was a group that originated from me. The medal bar threw me as the medals were loose when I had them.Fpr me it's a crime for a collector to put a group of loose medals on a medal bar or to "reribbon" your original medals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share Posted December 27, 2006 When I first started following this, I did not realize it was a group that originated from me. The medal bar threw me as the medals were loose when I had them. I'll be very interested to see how it turns out. The group originally came from the Admin of the Soviet Awards Forum!There's no medal bar, they are loose. Just scanned in proper fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share Posted December 27, 2006 Fpr me it's a crime for a collector to put a group of loose medals on a medal bar or to "reribbon" your original medals! Agreed, and I am innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 My apologies Ed, I certainly didn't mean the comment as an indictment, only as an observation. I had been asked if this group had come from me from a third party and having looked quickly said no as the bar looked like a one-piece.(One of these days you have to teach me how to do that, i have so far been unable to duplicate your efforts!)In any event, I think we can all agree that Ed is a fastidious, conscientious preserver of the history he watches over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Agreed, and I am innocent. I never thought you would have done something like this. I appreciate your contribution to the hobby and the way that you are preserving your awards by researching everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Drat-- the Wrong Fighter Pilot Guy had a fantastic career too!!!! His all but PAIRED Red Stars and Red Banners from 1951 and 1955 (with a 15 years long service REd Star in '56 meaning those 4 were most certainly NOT long servicesToo bad Ed didn't get the citations... I bet that those additional awards were for flight time in night/inclement weather. I've been noticing a trend of these lately!Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I believe the group is good. It's missing an order of Lenin, however. Here's his award card with the awards listed up to his Red Star. As you can see, the numbers match those in the document.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Here's his long service award card, which I have never seen before now. What I don't know is if he actually received the Lenin as his 25 years fell in January 1957... it is marked that he did though, as I can understand it. Thoughts?Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Excellent! Congrats, Ed. Happy, it turned out legit Dave, thats an interesting style of Award Card! I have never seen that one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 So my only question is...... Would his Lenin have come with another award booklet? Or, would he have been issued a new booklet with the Lenin and all these earlier awards in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 So my only question is...... Would his Lenin have come with another award booklet? Or, would he have been issued a new booklet with the Lenin and all these earlier awards in it?I ASSUME (and this is just an assumption) that if it was awarded, it was awarded with another award booklet, as it was never put in the earlier document. What's odd though is that neither the Lenin nor the Red Banner appear on the award card. And I don't think that he would have been eligible for a Lenin in January 1957 (I would have thought it would have been brought forward to December 1956.) That's why I think he might not have gotten it, but I'm at a loss at this one. The page is filled out as though he did... but perhaps they were expecting him to be awarded it, and then when the award criteria changed the entry was never completely crossed out (part of it was though)? Here's a close-up of the card. Perhaps MONDVOR or someone more intimiately familiar with the writing could see something there that I'm missing in my reading of it.An interesting aside is that the next award for long service was the Red Banner, following the Lenin, being awarded somewhere around 30 years or so.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share Posted January 17, 2007 Fascinating! Thanks, Dave. I have requested full research, so . . . ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 No Lenin.I'd say the first Award Record Card is so full in 1946 that another which hasn't been copied followed later. The 1950 Red Star is lost as if under the signature from 4 years earlier.The EXTREMELY interesting "long service" card shows "date of award" written or stamped in for his MMM, ORS, and ORB. The Lenin is filled out "in anticipation" but not stamped-- so not issued.Service records might show if he was discharged just before they had to give him one. I'm taking that "as of May 1957" entry there as an ANTICIPATORY "turn in your lists for eligibility in advance" situation for the mass Ukaz type awards. See how it was SUBMITTED on 21 January 1957? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Fascinating! Thanks, Dave. I have requested full research, so . . . ???Ed, you should be able to find out more when the research comes back on it. As for this, I did this research myself as I was curious about the group and this is what one does for friends. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share Posted January 17, 2007 Ed, you should be able to find out more when the research comes back on it. As for this, I did this research myself as I was curious about the group and this is what one does for friends. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Bit small for my tired eyes, but it looks like it says he was in reserves 1948-50, which might have slightly delayed the 15 Red Star. But apparently that time and his not counted compulsory service (?) 1930-32 must have THEN been applied to get a "20" Red banner in 1952.So, you want the commands and ranks at each of those entries? Born 1910, White Russian. Red Army since February 1934, CPSU since 1939.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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