Emanuel Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Sad situation Chris indeed, Anyway, clondyk59 , the buyer has been warned that the "Urkunde" is a fake one. Regards Emanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.de/Eisernes-Kreuz-2-Klasse-Verleihungsurkunde_W0QQitemZ250552897981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item3a561dd1bd The same fake coming in again.... can someone post the pic? I have not yet figured out how to since they changed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Sad situation Chris indeed, Anyway, clondyk59 , the buyer has been warned that the "Urkunde" is a fake one. Regards Emanuel Clondyk was reamed... and still gave a positive ...what an idiot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 (edited) http://cgi.ebay.de/E...=item3a561dd1bd The same fake coming in again.... can someone post the pic? I have not yet figured out how to since they changed it. Here is the photo, again the same gibberish signature from other Ebay member. As for clondyk59 indeed a fool, or a decoy that he wanted to raise the bidding,I cannot imagine that you send to someone a warning with a link with the discussion of his purchase and still no answer, so I can only imagine the motives behind this winner. But enough I think , it is his problem. Edited December 29, 2009 by Emanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 7, 2010 Author Share Posted January 7, 2010 Same fake, same seller "villnapep" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 7, 2010 Author Share Posted January 7, 2010 As this is a generic doc, he only has to make them out to the 112th until he gets a new or different stamp, then he can do a different unit..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 ...and he need also to change after that and type machine, this one makes a shadow in all documents after typing: "i" making it look like: ii (double) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 ii2 IR having run its course.... the faker chooses a new unit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 Back at IR112 seller Wuhling1142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 Terrible... same doc, aged from Poland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 And more.... its being sold by a seller called supercowboy-carphunter on a one day auction... he sold the exact same thing with exact same photo to zweidollen on the 17th of Feb 2011... zweidollen confirms recieving the wonderful piece... so I suppose it is fraud.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted March 6, 2011 See post 34... this time being sold by fraku58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 This one REALLY "Aged" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Do you think they are printed or just photocopied on old paper ? Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 6, 2013 Author Share Posted January 6, 2013 Hi Christer, They are printed, the guy seems to take pages from old books to print the docs on. Best Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 5, 2013 Author Share Posted April 5, 2013 Just a note to the doc in post 5... I saw a small pile of these on a german show earlier this month, stamped, but with none of the written details. Tha stall owners name I forget, but I think it was Dr. something. I said "Those are copies I guess?" and he looked all insulted... just said "I cannot say... thats how I got them!"... Riiiight ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 He cannot say because then they would be harder to sell..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 Interesting, this same old fake time and time agian... this time with EK1 variation..... http://www.ebay.de/itm/2-Urkunden-fur-Orden-Eisernes-Kreuz-1-2-Klasse-Abzeichen-1918/350886558135?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D333005%26algo%3DRIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D17538%26meid%3D1634766758888008096%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D8150%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D290979094711%26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 Another fake... this time an ages copy, writing and stamp are printed with the doc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Arghhh It looks quite convincing after a quick look ....... I really hate these people ...... Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share Posted June 6, 2014 Another fake http://www.ebay.de/itm/Urkunde-EK-1-Dachbodenfund/251546295170?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D22568%26meid%3D7436648110053103865%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9765%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D360951299323&rt=nc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 The EK1 doc in post 43 being sold with an EK1.... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-EK1-1-Weltkrieg-mit-Urkunde-/351105924710?pt=Militaria&hash=item51bf8b3e66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIR Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 ... next time we also have to keep an eye on documents from the "Kgl. Pr. 4. Ersatz-Division" a stamp/signet was sold on Ebay: Kaiserliche Stempel Adler Krone Siegel Wappen Petschaft Wax Seal stamp | eBay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 Luckily there is a very standard 4th Ersatz Division EK document... without those the stamp is worth little as far as faking goes ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 Here is the 4.E.D. document... http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/63054-brigade-ersatz-bataillon-34-in-search-of-data/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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