webr55 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) Gentlemen, I just have no idea what award this is: Any ideas? Chris Edited November 11, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I thinck it is the order of the Crown of Persia (Iran)look even at this onehttp://www.klm-mra.be/klm-new/engels/colle...ges/Image7.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hi Guy,Look at the strips. They don't have the same proportion...Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) I thinck it is the order of the Crown of Persia (Iran)look even at this onehttp://www.klm-mra.be/klm-new/engels/colle...ges/Image7.htmlNo, not that. See http://www.medals.lava.pl/ir/ir1.htm and http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Persia/Orders/crown.htmLooks to me like a UN medal for UNIMOZ and ONUMOZ that someone has "dressed up" -- see http://www.medals.org.uk/united-nations/un...-nations005.htm Edited January 4, 2007 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) The back looks like this: Does the attachment system tell us anything? Edited November 11, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 My wild guess would be...... to have the funny little thingies on the front of the ribbon... you would probably be a tailor of some sort.... And becase these ribbons are no longer made, and scarce... and someone ordered one and you had the funny little thingies but no ribbon... that as an industrious tailor.... you would just grab an inch of UN ribon and whip one of these up....And probably the guy who ordered it could wear it with noone noticing.Probably made up for simple practicle reasons than as a deliberate fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 But what in the world would lead one to put those little French rosette-wing-thingies on a UN ribbon for Mozambique? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I would guess it IS indeed an original Persian rosette thingy and that the UN ribbon was taken as ersatz material for a ribbon that was no longer being made?When I was in Cairo and showed some guys in the Souq a British medal I had bought... to ask if they had any like it... they offered to make me some.Maybe some guy ordered the Persian ribbon from a tailor and he made one with the material he had?Seems to be a long shot... but my medals are mounted on a strip of plastic cut from the sandproof plastic audio cassette boxes used in Saudi Arabia and positioned with super glue.... may not be the official way of mounting them... but looks the same....You do things with the material you have sometimes..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I would guess it IS indeed an original Persian rosette thingy and that the UN ribbon was taken as ersatz material for a ribbon that was no longer being made?When I was in Cairo and showed some guys in the Souq a British medal I had bought... to ask if they had any like it... they offered to make me some.Maybe some guy ordered the Persian ribbon from a tailor and he made one with the material he had?Seems to be a long shot... but my medals are mounted on a strip of plastic cut from the sandproof plastic audio cassette boxes used in Saudi Arabia and positioned with super glue.... may not be the official way of mounting them... but looks the same....You do things with the material you have sometimes.....But it isn't even remotely similar to the Persian ribbon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 But it isn't even remotely similar to the Persian ribbon! The colours are the same, but with different spacing. The thingy seems to be the same as the one on g_deploige's link.Twins they are not... but when next to each other they have the same colour, and I would bet at a few meters away, noone would notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The colours are the same, but with different spacing. The thingy seems to be the same as the one on g_deploige's link.Twins they are not... but when next to each other they have the same colour, and I would bet at a few meters away, noone would notice.And the colors on his link are TOTALLY different from the ones I posted. And the ribbon has no similarity to any Iranian ribbon I have ever seen. What makes us think it is trying to ape an Iranian ribbon (that never existed in Iran)?See http://www.medals.lava.pl/ir/ir1.htm and http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Persia/Orders/crown.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) If you look at the proportions of the white/green/blue on the rosette, they are exactly the same as on the ribbon itself.To me it doesn't look like something that has been tampered with...I don't think it's the Iranian Order of the Crown.../Mike Edited January 4, 2007 by Great Dane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hi Ed... You are overlooking the 1st version of the order of the crown on your first link.Your first link has two different ribbon coloursm the second link just the 1939 ribbon.BestChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 OK, believe what you wish . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The second link also mentions it having a rosette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireMedals Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hate to bring everyone back to reality...but this is a private French society or association medal for the Association of Civic Devotion. Don't know the particulars, perhaps one of the French members can help with that. The ribbon bar is of a style occasionally seen from the post-WWI era, and even appears on some styles of US ribbons purchased overseas. FireMedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hate to bring everyone back to reality...but this is a private French society or association medal for the Association of Civic Devotion. Don't know the particulars, perhaps one of the French members can help with that. The ribbon bar is of a style occasionally seen from the post-WWI era, and even appears on some styles of US ribbons purchased overseas. FireMedalsThank you, Mr. FireMedals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Well, that is hard to dispute.... which means the first one is kosher.... but leaves the one in the second post as the odd bird.... it is in an envelope marked Persia, has the riht ribbon for the Persian medal... but has then had a Rosette added....Maybe simply two very similar ribbons?In the second post the ribbon is correct and according to Eds link... Recipients of the fourth class wear the same badge as the second class, suspended from a medal bar on the left breast, from a narrow ribbon with a rosette in the centre.....Some time ago I started a thread about what the world would do when they ran out of possible color combinations for medal ribbons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Thank you, Mr. FireMedals!Dont gloat Ed... UN was just as wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Dont gloat Ed... UN was just as wrong UN is right, without that silly rosette thingy; Iran is wrong unless this is a 1900-1939 grand cross . . . .Silly French pseudo-award is right.Whoopie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hi Fire Medals,We followed the same track.... Here is the medal that goes with the cross (can't save a pic of the front...).Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 UN is right, without that silly rosette thingy; Iran is wrong unless this is a 1900-1939 grand cross . . . .Silly French pseudo-award is right.Whoopie?But the one in the second link? Is it right or wrong? The colors are right for the 1900-1939 one and on Liverpool medals they hve Persian awards with french style rosettes.... so.... the ribbon in the second post (with the envelope) could technically be corect?Meaning the Frenchi and the Persian are almost same, same except for the width of the colors?A silly question... but has anyone seen rosettes with black backing cloth like these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Chris,It's not black backing cloth, it's dirty (oxidized?) silver wings meaning a Commander class./Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireMedals Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Christophe,Thanks for the pix. I've only seen the cross. FireMedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Oooops. I see the lower 1900 version should have a plain blue ribbon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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