Gerd Becker Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Gentlemen,this arrived today in my mailbox and i wanted to share it with you, as this ORB isn?t just another example, but a very special one. Its obviously a Type 3 Variation 4 after the PMD-classification and a Type 3 Variation 5 on the MONDVOR-website. The appearance of this piece is a little different to other T3 V5 from the MONDVOR website, but thats not the reason, why it is special.So, what is the reason, why this one is special?Andreas, you are excluded from this quiz Here it is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 nice piece Gerd , that would be an enrichment for your collection and to the group to which to red banner belongs.What other awards are missing from the group ?regardsAndreas"So, what is the reason, why this one is special?Andreas, you are excluded from this quiz " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) Du alter Spielverderber Also missing are two more Red Stars and a Lenin. You never know... Andreas, can you see the differences to the piece on the MONDVOR website? Edited February 21, 2007 by Gerd Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 So this is a happy reunification?? Well done, everyone! This is the sort of event we all wish was more common, as the broken history comes back together again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 So this is a happy reunification?? Well done, everyone! This is the sort of event we all wish was more common, as the broken history comes back together again.Yes, Ed, thats it Take a look at this thread:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2405Here are the two pieces reunited. I allways wanted a multiple Red Banner group, but that i would get it piece by piece, who would have known?My deepest thanks to Andrew (MONDVOR) for finding this piece for me and managing the trade, also to Eugene and Alex Filer for their assistence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 award card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deptfordboy Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Hey Gerd, great result - you must be really happy, and it's good to see a reunite here. Incidentally, is anyone keeping track of the number of reunites brought about by this forum, third party websites listing known numbers etc? I know this is something that is done with British medals...Cheers Gilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Cool!!! Hard work pays off!!!!!Just so happy on the rare occasions it happens!Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Thanks Gilbert I know, that at least Andrew has a large database and tries to reunite broken groups and as far as i know, he was successful four times so far. Yes, of course i am very happy to reunite these two pieces and i wonder, when and where these may have been seperated. In a dealers inventar or directly in the family? I know at least for sure, that the dealer, i bought the screwback from, did not intentionally broke up a group. The later ORB popped up in a collection in the USA and luckily the owner was willing to trade it for another ORB.But all this wouldn?t have been possible if Andrew did not keep track of the orders on the market and in collections worldwide Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Cool!!! Hard work pays off!!!!!Just so happy on the rare occasions it happens!JimAbsolutely, Jim Me too, whereever it happens. The soviet-screwback.com website had three results and Andrew was lucky four times to reunite pieces. Long live the world wide (collector) web Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Amazing! Congratulations for the great work! It would be nice if it was happening more often.You?ve got yourself a very nice ORB group. May I ask you how many ORB you have in your collection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Thanks, Bryan. Indeed, i also wish, it would happen more often.I don?t have so many Red Banners, 8 only, i have switched a bit to OPW?s in the last year and this is the first new ORB since quite some while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I feel really happy when the groups separated years ago by greedy dealers or careless veteran's relatives finally can reunite once again. Those orders deserve to stay together because they are real witnesses of many historical events of XX century.I hope some day missing Red Star from this group would also reappear somewhere. So far, unfortunately, I don't have any traces of this number. Let's keep our eyes open. If two orders from the group came to the market, it is a great chance to find another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 I feel really happy when the groups separated years ago by greedy dealers or careless veteran's relatives finally can reunite once again. Those orders deserve to stay together because they are real witnesses of many historical events of XX century.I hope some day missing Red Star from this group would also reappear somewhere. So far, unfortunately, I don't have any traces of this number. Let's keep our eyes open. If two orders from the group came to the market, it is a great chance to find another one.I absolutely agree with you, Andrew. You are doing a great job and its fantastic, that you were able to recognize it as the missing long-service ORB to my screwback ORB.And yes, that makes sense, if this one was out there somewhere, there is a chance, that there are his Red Stars or his Lenin out there too. That would be awesome and is probably too much luck to ask for, if one of those would be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 At least in the collecting world I know best, if one medal of a broken group comes to market, the chances are high that the others are -- as they used to say in the 'X-Files' -- 'out there'. Good hunting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Unfortunately for the Order of Lenin chances are not that good as for the other awards. I've seen many groups where the only missing thing was Lenin. In 80th and early 90th Red Stars, GPWs and Red Banners were pretty cheap. Their price was around 10 - 25 USD and one would not have much profit by selling them. At the same time Lenin was 300 USD because it was made of 0.900 gold. When I just started my career as a dentist in one of Kiev's city clinics in 1998 I met an old dental technician. He told me a horrible story that 15 - 20 years ago every week they destroyed 2 to 3 Lenins to make golden crowns or bridges (they were popular). Regular gold jewelery was made of 0.583 or 0.585 gold and it was not enough for golden crowns. But Lenin with 0.900 gold (as well as Russian Empire 5 and 10 Rouble coins) perfectly matched the standarts of dental appliances. So many Lenins all over USSR were lost forever. You can see their traces observing "golden smiles" of some old Russian folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Sad, but true. But if you think of the hard times many people had to go through in the USSR, one can understand, that these were just a piece of valuable metal for them. And the dental technicians were happy, that they could buy gold cheaper than on other markets.Unfortunately not everyone treasures these things like we collectors do and i don?t even want to start to think about how many beautiful history-loaden german and international awards are lying on the garbage dumps in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Crongats Gerd I wish I could have some look like that with on of my dismembered groups Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 So tell us: how far apart from each other-- distance and time-- did these two turn up from each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 When I just started my career as a dentist in one of Kiev's city clinics in 1998 I met an old dental technician. He told me a horrible story that 15 - 20 years ago every week they destroyed 2 to 3 Lenins to make golden crowns or bridges (they were popular). Regular gold jewelery was made of 0.583 or 0.585 gold and it was not enough for golden crowns. But Lenin with 0.900 gold (as well as Russian Empire 5 and 10 Rouble coins) perfectly matched the standarts of dental appliances. So many Lenins all over USSR were lost forever. You can see their traces observing "golden smiles" of some old Russian folks Ouch! Not a very encouraging fact!! Interesting though how gold keeps on being re-used and recyled. Makes me wonder if any of the gold ever used in the manufacture ever came from post war East Germany that was originally gathered during a darker period of German history! Just wondering of course - Not saying it did or it could have!!!Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) So tell us: how far apart from each other-- distance and time-- did these two turn up from each other?Rick, i bought the first one three years ago from Alexei Merezkho and this one was found in a colletion in New Jersey, about a month ago. I guess, they were split up by a dealer or collector some time ago. Although i am sure, Alexei did not break up this group.OoV, if you have posted your researched pieces here on the GMIC, then you data is very likely already in Andrews and others database, so there are people out there, who keep an eye out for your missing orders too.Thanks again everyoneGerd Edited February 22, 2007 by Gerd Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Du alter Spielverderber Also missing are two more Red Stars and a Lenin. You never know... Andreas, can you see the differences to the piece on the MONDVOR website?The difference to a Typ 3 Var 5 seem to be in the torch and the middle where the hammer and sickle are.regardsAndreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share Posted February 25, 2007 The difference to a Typ 3 Var 5 seem to be in the torch and the middle where the hammer and sickle are.regardsAndreasGanz genau, Andreas. These exaclty are the most obvious differences to a normal Variation 5 from the MONDVOR-website, what you show in your comparison. Andrew has discovered this variation. The torch and the "berries" of the wreath around Hammer&Sickel looks like on Type 4 ORB?s.all the best,Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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