Bryan Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 ... they had build the Palace of the Soviets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christophe Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Bryan,These are nicely made. But, for the first one (the one taken from the Duma), I'm not sure we could have this,perspective. The Palace of Soviet, in my opinion, shouldn't be visible like this from there...Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 Maybe you are right. I really don't know, but I guess it is not too far from reality.Do you mean the Palace of the Soviets would not be seen from this angle or that the Palace would appear smaller than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Not sure, but certainly smaller, seen the distance. But, all this is theory and virtual... Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 As massive as Hitler?s vision of "Germania" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belaruski Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I wish they'd built it.Mind you it may have been a very expensive luxury.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 As massive as Hitler?s vision of "Germania" Dear Gerd,I think you can not really compare the artistic quality of Russian Neoclassicism to the way of building in Germany from 1933 to 1944 on.But you can compare Russian Neoclassicism to the art of building in NYC between the 2 wars: Chrysler-Building, etc.Russian Neoclassicism is regarded by most of the architectural historians as a genuine and highly interesting style of building in Eastern Europe, as you can see at the large number of publications and beautyful books about this topic.Concerning the "Palace of Soviets" alone, that is the most comprehensive publication: http://www.amazon.de/Tyrannei-Sch%C3%B6nen...t/dp/3791313401Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 ... they had build the Palace of the Soviets.Dear Bryan,many thanks for showing these installations to us .I haven't seen them before.Best regardsChristianBTW: "The Palace of Soviets" as a hughe 7-Star-Hotel with a large museum of Russian History in the centre of the building . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Christian, i was talking about the dimensions, not the style. Does this not remind you of Hitlers and Speers cold architecture of "Germania" somehow?Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Christian, i was talking about the dimensions, not the style. Does this not remind you of Hitlers and Speers cold architecture of "Germania" somehow?GerdDear Gerd,o.k., regarding the mere dimensions, Stalin's (partly unfinished) Moscow-Project had been as ambitious, as Speer/Hitler's Germania-Project for Berlin .For my taste, I can see a strong US-influence in the way of building during the Stalin-times. Which seems logic, because the economic exchange between the USA and CCCP had been very massive (the US built up the complete heavy industry in the CCCP!) between the end of the 1920s and the mid 1930s.Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 Do you guys have any good architecture books about "Russian Neoclassicism" (Stalinist architecture) to recommend? I'm not only talking about the Palace of Soviets, but a book that cover that period in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I wish they'd built it.Mind you it may have been a very expensive luxury..Would it have been another "masterpiece" in beton / concrete?? Kevin in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Do you guys have any good architecture books about "Russian Neoclassicism" (Stalinist architecture) to recommend? I'm not only talking about the Palace of Soviets, but a book that cover that period in general.Dear Bryan,you are a lucky guy, because nearly all publications about the architecture of the Stalin-Era are in German language and your German is excellent .The best book, which covers that period in general is the rather large formated book with excellent photographs, published 1992 in Germany, "Stalinistische Architektur". You can get it for EUR 18,- (fair condition) via Amazon: http://www.amazon.de/Stalinistische-Archit...w/dp/3781403122 .The publication, which goes historically, scientifically and intellectually most in depth, but more or less focussing at the "Palace of Soviets", is the already mentioned (very) large formated book "Tyrannei des Sch?nen - Architektur der Stalin-Zeit", published 1994 in Germany. You can get one new (!) via Amazon for only EUR 50,- (in the USA used ones are traded in the USD 200,- + region!):http://www.amazon.de/Tyrannei-Sch%C3%B6nen...t/dp/3791313401 .With these two beautyful illustrated books you will get a comprehensive overview about that great period - besides the building up of modern NYC between the wars - in architectural history. Both books are sold out for years.There is another "official" large formated book from the 1940s, published in Moscow, titled "Das neue Moskau", which I have in my library, but I couldn't find it on the market in the www .Another book might be of interest, which had been published in 2002 in Austria: "Das neue Moskau. Die Stadt der Sowjets im Film 1917 - 1941". At Amazon it is offered new for EUR 40,-: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3412...ractive01119-21 .If you are interested in Soviet Films, it's a fine book, but it stops at the beginning of the GPW .I would recommend to get the first two books as fast as possible - also a good investment for your money .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 Thanks Christian! I will look forward for them and maybe ship them to one of my friend in Germany, so I can pick them up next time I'll be over. I'm not sure if I'm going to buy both of them, but I will for sure look for one. If I could only see them on-line. I am a fan of Berlin and Moscow architecture. I think Christophe on the forum has a pretty impressive collection of books on these related subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Ya know... if Putin ever tunes in here and sees this... might give him some ideas. But in all seriousness, based on pictures and documentaries I've seen, the Soviet sure could build em' big! The monuments they did a tremendous! Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergey Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Photo with a kind of the Red Area erroneous. In this foreshortening the building would not be visible. The palace should is more to the right. I shall add that Lenin's figure was planned by height of 90 meters. On a palm of Ilyich could make landing the helicopter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Thanks Christian! I will look forward for them and maybe ship them to one of my friend in Germany, so I can pick them up next time I'll be over. I'm not sure if I'm going to buy both of them, but I will for sure look for one. If I could only see them on-line. I am a fan of Berlin and Moscow architecture. I think Christophe on the forum has a pretty impressive collection of books on these related subjects. Dear Bryan,then the "Stalinistische Architektur" for EUR 18,- might be the first choice .I will scan some pages the next days.Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 (edited) Dear Bryan,then the "Stalinistische Architektur" for EUR 18,- might be the first choice .I will scan some pages the next days.Best regards ChristianDear Bryan,Gentlemen,there is also an English version at the market for about USD 80,- (used): http://www.amazon.com/Stalinist-Architectu...v/dp/1856690164BTW: The German version for EUR 18,- is much cheaper .... It is almost impossible to scan a large book about architecture at an ordinary scanner . So you can only see parts of the pages ...Best regards ChristianThe cover: Edited March 16, 2007 by Christian Zulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 R.V. of the sleeve: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Chapters: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Part of one page: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted March 17, 2007 Author Share Posted March 17, 2007 Oh yes, I want this book!Thanks a lot for the scans my friend. I really appreciate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Oh yes, I want this book!Thanks a lot for the scans my friend. I really appreciate. Dear Bryan,many thanks for your interest to that great period of architecture .Have a look at the new quiz-question No. 80 - shouldn't be too difficult .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hi Soviet!I missed this thread as I was travelling! Very interesting pics! Of course one's imagination can never come anywhere close enough to seeing a "photo"!As many communist images were pulled down in Russia, think of the hassle to pull this down! Maybe it might have even made it to becoming one of the severn new wonders of the world!Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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