Upham's VC and bar

[jonightflyer]

Recently bought by the IWM for NZ$ 3,000,000 but will stay in NZ in perpetuity.

[Paul R]

That is a truly amazing bar. I am glad that it gets to stay home! What are the last four medals on the bar?

[Davey]

Hi,

This is a truly impressive collection.

Thanks for showing.

Rgds,

Davey

[Ed_Haynes]

What are the last four medals on the bar?

- New Zealand War Service Medal

- Coronation Medal 1953

- Jubilee Medal 1977

- New Zealand Commemoration Medal 1990

Edited April 17, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Riley1965]

That's a VERY NICE bar!!! I, too, am glad that it has a permanent public home.

Doc

[Ed_Haynes]

I, too, am glad that it has a permanent public home.

And not with Lord Ashcan?

I do find it odd that the IWM bought something for display in NZ. When they can't maintain and expand their own collections!

[Paul R]

- New Zealand War Service Medal

- Coronation Medal 1953

- Jubilee Medal 1977

- New Zealand Commemoration Medal 1990

Thanks Ed.

[jonightflyer]

And not with Lord Ashcan?

Ashcroft offered the family a great deal more but the NZ Government would not santion the medals leaving New Zealand. An arrangement was then reached with the IWM that satisfied Upham's three daughters and allowed his medals to remain on display in the Waiouru Army Museum where they had previously been on loan since their father's death. In perpetuity in this case means for 999 years.

[jonightflyer]

When I get a sec, I will display NZ's other famous VC groupings from the same museum.

[DutchBoy]

[jonightflyer]

The VC group of the great NZ sniper Clive Hulme who the PC Brigade said last year should have been arrested for war crimes! He ventured into enemy territory and accounted for 33 German snipers in eight days on Crete whilst dressed in enemy camouflage.

[Jacky]

I think the medals have been remounted instead of leaving them on the original ribbons,

this becomes quite clear from the war medal, as this one has no MID-leaves on it's ribbon....

But both groups are very very nice!

Kind regards,

Jacky

[Michael Johnson]

It's also interesting that the Greek War Medal is the later version with the king's head replaced by the Victory of Samothrace.

[jonightflyer]

Didn't realise until I read in the paper today that Clive Hulme's son was Denny Hulme, the 1967?Formula?1 world motor racing champion.

More NZ VC groups coming soon.

[David S]

Smashing groups !!!

Nice to see it went to NZ

Patiently waiting to see more groups

[jonightflyer]

Two?more?outstanding?WW2?VC?groups?from?NZ... Hinton and Elliott.

[Kev in Deva]

It's also interesting that the Greek War Medal is the later version with the king's head replaced by the Victory of Samothrace.

Hallo Michael

It states in "GREEK MEDALS by GEORGE STRATOUDAKIS"

ISBN:960-91397-2-8.

Page 106: 128 Commemorative MEDAL of the WAR of 1940-41 (Army), II Type.

In 1983 because of the political change, it was decided that the medal was to be replaced by a new form of Medal.

The Crown and the head of King George II on the obverse was replaced by "NIKE of Samothrace."

Kevin in Deva

[jonightflyer]

A few more of NZ's highest gallantry winners from the army.

Judson VC, DCM, MM. from WW1.

[jonightflyer]

Two GC winners, Russell?WW2 and Hudson Vietnam.

[Tiger-pie]

The VC group of the great NZ sniper Clive Hulme who the PC Brigade said last year should have been arrested for war crimes! He ventured into enemy territory and accounted for 33 German snipers in eight days on Crete whilst dressed in enemy camouflage.

Sneeky bugger.

Well if he didn't get caught then good on him, after all it was a very effective cam pattern. Russian snipers and marksmen sometimes used German camouflage, despite the obvious dangers of being captured and shot, which was usually the end result for snipers anyway, or being shot by your own troops by mistake.

Regards;

Johnsy

[jonightflyer]

Gentlemen, as you are doubt aware, all of these VCs and GCs were stolen in the raid at the weekend.

The police have announced tonight that they are following strong leads so there is hope yet that the medals will be recovered.

I will keep you posted of any developments in that direction.

[jonightflyer]

Not a thing heard since they were stolen (the police say that they have no firm leads)... as someone said in another thread probably overseas by now in a private collection from which they will never reappear.

[Greg]

Latest news is that they have been recovered last week.

Greg.

[Taz]

All recovered undamaged

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/16/2164574.htm

Regards Eddie.