Paul C Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 This forum has been a little quite lately so maybe this post will generate some new posts. My many collecting area in imperial medalbars and ribbon bar. I consider myself fortunate when I can trace out a bar to the original owner. I am even more fortunate if I can then acqire a picture of the original owner. But the ultimate is to find a picture of the original owner wearing that medal bar or ribbon bar. I have about 10-15 traced out medal bars and many some pictures of the owner but none of the owner wearing the bar. So if you have a medal/ribbon bar and a pic of the person wearing it then post it hear. All of us would love to see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 (edited) Hi Paul,Actually I found it very difficult, too, to find a photo of the medal bar's recipient wearing it. Of course I always keep an eye open in case I can put a face to a medal bar of mine.Here is my first bar with owner's picture... this picture was provided by the auctioneer many months after the sale of the bar (Oberst von Stockhausen): Edited May 22, 2007 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 (edited) Oberst N?sslein wearing not really the same ribbon bar, but almost quite... it was the one he wore before the annexation of Austria. The dealer told me that the family sold to him many other items; he had like 2 or 3 EK 1. Kl. and FAK 1. Kl.What it was even more incredible about this officer's documents is that his F?hrerschein (driver's licence) plus the same picture surfaced on German Ebay a couple of months ago... I tried to bid on the F?hrerschein, but apparently some bidders went completely insane and unfortunately I couldn't win the auction. Edited May 22, 2007 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 The identification of this officer (Oberst M?ckel) was really something quite extraordinary to me... thanks Daniel (K.) who saw the picture on German Ebay and to Rick (L.) for the research... unbelievable!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 This is also another happy ending story... thanks again to Daniel (K.) for having found again THE picture of Prince Georg von Sachsen-Meining wearing the exactly same bar!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 My latest purchase (I think Paul was quite interested to see this one!!! ):des Konteradmirals z.S. aD Johannes Redlich (*14.12.1866 - ? 14.11.1925) ? Preussen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl., 1914 (OEK 1909), ?se repariert? Preussen, Roter Adler Orden 3 Klasse mit der Schleife (OEK 1687), Gold, Hersteller Wagner (W), leichte Kr?tzer und Chips am oberen Arm.? Preussen, DA-Kreuz f?r 25 Jahre der Offz., 3.Mod., 1.Typ (OEK 1970)? Deutsches Reich 1871-1918, S?dwestafrika-Denkm?nze (OEK 3166), aus Stahl f?r Nichtk?mpfer ? Deutsches Reich, China Denkm?nze f?r K?mpfer (OEK 3150)? Preussen, Centenarmedaille, 1897 (OEK 1965/1), GBr? Oldenburg, Friedrich August-Kreuz 2. Kl. am K?mpferband (OEK 1563)? Bremen, Hanseatenkreuz 1915-1918 (OEK 651), ca. 20'000 Verleihungen? Osmanisches Reich, Silberne Medaille auf den Besuch Kaiser Wilhelm II. in Konstantinopel am 2. November 1889Aus den Marineverordnungsbl?ttern und Ranglisten ersichtlich :Redlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. T?rk. Erinnerungsmed. a.d. Besuch KW II, Silber Unterleutnant z.S. 1892, 09.05. W?RTTEMBERG, WachoffizierRedlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. Pr. Centenarmedaille Leutnant zur See 1897, 03.22.S FALKE, WachoffizierRedlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. DR Chinadenkm?nze f?r K?mpfer Kapit?nleutnant 1901, 05.10.S WOERTH, Wach- und ArtillerieoffizierRedlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. Pr. RAO 4. Kl. Kapit?nleutnant 1901, 08.04. WOERTH, Wach- und ArtillerieoffizierRedlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. Pr. Dienstauszeichnungskreuz XXV Korvettenkapit?n 1907, 05.11. Reichsmarineamt, WaffendepartementRedlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. Pr. Kronen-O. 3. Kl. Fregattenkapit?n 1911, 01.22. Reichsmarineamt, WaffendepartementRedlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. Pr. RAO 3. Kl. m. Schleife Kapit?n zur See 1912, 09.19. Reichsmarineamt, WaffendepartementRedlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. Pr. Kronen-O. 2. Kl. m. Schwertern Kapit?n z.S. 1917, 10.31. Reichsmarineamt, Vorstand SeetransportabteilungRedlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. Bremen, Hanseatenkreuz Kapit?n zur See 1918, 02.14.R Reichsmarineamt, Vorstand SeetransportabteilungRedlich, Johannes 1887, 04.15. Pr. Eisernes Kreuz 1914 I. Kl. Kapit?n zur See 1918, 02.14.RMilit?rische Laufbahn:15.04.1887 Eintritt in die Marine als Kadett19.04.1888 (K) Seekadett23.05.1890 Unterleutnant zur See, Patentierung vorbehalten13.10.1891 Patent als Unterleutnant zur See mit RDA, vom 23.05.1890 (G)10.04.1893 Leutnant zur See, Patentierung vorbehalten28.09.1893 Patent als Leutnant zur See mit RDA, vom 10.04.1893 (L)01.01.1899 umernannt zum Oberleutnant zur See09.04.1900 Kapit?nleutnant21.03.1905 (K) Korvettenkapit?n06.09.1909 Fregattenkapit?n10.04.1911 Kapit?n zur See18.09.1918 Konteradmiral30.01.1919 verabschiedet15.04.1887 ? 30.09.1887 Grundausbildung u. Schulschiff ?Niobe?01.10.1887 ? 27.03.1888 Marineschule28.03.1888 ? 24.04.1888 Spezialkurse25.04.1888 ? 20.09.1888 Kreuzerfregatte ?Prinz Adalbert?26.09.1888 ? 30.04.1889 Kreuzerfregatte ?Charlotte?01.05.1889 ? 30.09.1890 Panzerschiffe ?Kaiser? u. ?Deutschland?01.10.1890 ? 18.09.1891 Marineschule19.09.1891 ? 06.08.1892 Artillerieschulschiff ?Mars?, Waffenkurs u. Panzerschiff ?Oldenburg?, Wachoffizier08.08.1892 ? 22.09.1892 Panzerschiff ?W?rttemberg?, Wachoffizier23.09.1892 ? 20.03.1893 Panzerfahrzeug ?Beowulf?, Wachoffizier21.03.1893 ? 14.08.1893 zugl. Torpedodivisionsboot ?D 6?, Erster Offizier15.08.1893 ? 30.09.1893 zugl. Torpedoboot ?S 69?, Kommandant01.10.1893 ? 16.04.1894 zugl. Torpedodivisionsboot ?D 6?, Erster Offizier17.04.1894 ? 16.08.1894 zugl. Torpedoboot ?S 69?, Kommandant17.08.1894 ? 28.12.1894 zugl. Torpedodivisionsboot ?D 6?, Erster Offizier29.12.1894 ? 31.03.1895 zugl. Torpedodivisionsboot ?D 9?, Erster Offizier24.04.1895 ? 05.06.1895 Ausreise nach Sydney mit D. ?Darmstadt?06.06.1895 ? 22.04.1897 Kleiner Kreuzer ?Falke?, Wachoffizier23.04.1897 ? 30.09.1897 Heimreise aus Sydney u. z. Vfg. der II. Marine-Inspektion01.10.1897 ? 30.09.1899 Torpedoschulschiff ?Bl?cher?, Lehrer01.10.1899 ? 24.11.1901 Linienschiff ?W?rth?, Wach- und Artillerieoffizier25.11.1901 ? 30.09.1903 Stab Marinestation der Nordsee, Adjudant25.11.1901 ? 24.02.1902 zugl. Tender ?D 2?, Kommandant25.02.1902 ? 30.09.1903 zugl. Tender ?Alice Roosevelt?, Kommandant01.10.1903 ? 30.09.1905 II. Torpedo-Abteilung, Kompanief?hrer13.10.1903 ? 28.03.1904 zugl. Torpedoboot ?S 114?, Kommandant15.10.1903 ? 14.12.1903 zugl. Chef der 6. Torpedobootsdivision06.04.1903 ? 30.09.1904 zugl. Chef der 6. Torpedobootsdivision02.05.1905 ? 10.06.1905 zugl. Chef der 6. Torpedobootsdivision u. Kommandant des Torpedodivisionsbootes ?D 9?16.08.1905 ? 15.09.1905 zugl. Chef der 6. Torpedobootsdivision u. Kommandant des Torpedodivisionsbootes ?D 8?01.10.1905 ? 07.10.1906 Reichsmarineamt, in der Waffenabteilung08.10.1906 ? 21.09.1908 Reichsmarineamt/Waffendepartement, Dezernent f. Angelegenheiten der K?stenbefestigungen u. Artilleriedepots22.09.1908 ? 02.11.1908 Ausreise nach Duala mit D. ?Lucie Woermann?03.11.1908 ? 02.11.1909 Kleiner Kreuzer ?Sperber?, Kommandant03.11.1909 ? 30.11.1909 Heimreise aus Kamerun mit D. ?Lucie Woermann?01.12.1909 ? 15.09.1910 Reichsmarineamt/Waffendepartement, Dezernent f. Angelegenheiten der K?stenbefestigungen u. Artilleriedepots bzw. Derzenent f?r Probefahrten u. milit?rische Bauangelegenheiten im Konstruktionsdepartement16.09.1910 ? 30.09.1913 Reichsmarineamt/Waffendepartement, Vorstand der Abt. f. Aufstellung u. Behandlung des Artilleriemat. an Bord04.10.1913 ? 25.09.1916 Linienschiff ?Westfalen?, Kommandant01.11.1916 ? 18.09.1918 Reichsmarineamt, Vorstand der Seetrasnportabteilung19.09.1918 ? 30.12.1918 Schiffsbesichtigungskommision, Pr?ses31.12.1918 ? 30.01.1919 z. Vfg. des Chefs der Marinestation des Nordsee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 You know him already: Generalleutnant Alfred von Besser (1854-1919). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Second picture: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Rick did this nice comparison of the close-up and my ribbon bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 HiGreat idea.Please find the photo and ribbon bar of Oberst Paul Krause from I.R. Nr. 185. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 the ribbon bar (perfect match)Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Another positive match.SH3, SA3aX m. Kr., EK2, HHO3X, ?M3K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 Claudio, Nice pic with Redlich medal bar. Is the pic from the German Admiral's book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 the owner Kurt Kloetzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Hi Paul,Yes, the photo comes from the German Admiral's book.Ciao,Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Hey, where's Rick?I remember he's got at least two, Hahn and someone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 General Stengel & ribbon bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 And General Hahn... trying to find the rest of the photos of him and the bar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 BUT - Stengel's bar is not the same as on the picture. The swords are different, those are the older type swords on the pic. Here's a close-up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwmosher Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 General Stengel & ribbon barStogie:Whats up with the reversed collar litzen for Stengel? Seems to be a glaring oversight by he and his tailor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dunno, you'd have to ask them. It is on backwards though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 They're airbrushed on incorrectly over a portrait while he was an Oberst. My two will be in the updated Ribbon Bar Article, in progress now (slowly) over in the database section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 not in my collection (unfortunately)...Vizeadmiral LietzmannAll the decorations, pictures, etc. were sold a couple of year ago by Detlev Niemann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Another amazing group sold by Niemann: Kommandant LZ-38 Hauptmann Erich Linnarz! -That was also out of my price range... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Linnarz group is owned by one of our members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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