Soviet Drooling...

[Bob]

If those are little to expensive for you how about this one http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17678

Order of Victory

These are just "common" labour awards - not so interesting

Just kidding

[Ed_Haynes]

Still there. Still $32,000.

Save your small change?

[Christian Zulus]

Still there. Still $32,000.

Save your small change?

Gentlemen,

that's really strange, that such an outstanding group with such an (relativly) very moderate price tag doesn't sell ?

AND the group is getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper, due to the fact, that Igor asks weak US-Dollars .

In the moment the European (Russian) price for Igor's group is in the 22.000 EURO + region.

O.K., maybe some wise guys speculate to get the HSU-group for less than 20.000 EURO ...

Well, I would love that group, but I neither have that amount of cash in my drawer, nor do I want to swap my Glory-Cavalier-group of 1st category + my Kutuzov 2cl for Igor's group .

Best regards

Christian

[Christian Zulus]

Valerian Mikhailovich Turygin - Валерьян Михайлович Турыгин

Soviet fighter ace, commander of the 813 IAP and HSU

Gentlemen,

due to the fact, that Igor's offered group http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17396 is really something, I collected some informations about comrade Turygin.

Valerian Mikhailovich Turygin was born at the 1st of june in 1914 in Smolensk and died at the 6th of november 2000 in Leningrad. He commanded the 813 IAP in the GPW and had the rank of a major. He retired in 1960 with the rank of a colonel.

He scored 13 victories + 4 shared victories + destroyed 7 enemy aircrafts on the airfields during the GPW, so he should have received his HSU during the GPW or the years after (a score of 10 arial victories should result in a HSU). But he got his catch-up HSU in 1991, just some month before the collaps of the Soviet Union and he might be the last GPW-pilot to whom a HSU had been confered.

Question: Why did our fighter ace get his deserved HSU so extremly late ?

Comprehensive informations (in Russian language ) about Turygin's career and life can be found here:

http://airaces.narod.ru/all10/turygin.htm

http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=3135

http://tuapse-victory.by.ru/turygin.htm

What makes that group of orders, medals, document and log books so special?

1) The awardee had been a fighter ace, who destroyed 24 enemy aircrafts.

2) The set is complete and full documented.

3) It includes a HSU and a (de facto long service) RB #4.

4) The awardee had been GPW-commander of the 813 IAP and served till 1960 during the Cold War.

5) It is one of the latest confered HSU-medals in the history of the CCCP.

6) HSU-star + Lenin are in an absolute mint condition of almost 10/10.

7) Some log books and GPW combat score reports are within the set ( ).

If you deduct the long service awards, our comrade got the following orders for pure military merits & heroic deeds:

- HSU + Lenin

- 3x RB (all GPW!)

- OPW 1cl

- OPW 2cl

- RS

Well, I guess, that this is the last time, to see such an outstanding set at the market.

Best regards

Christian

Edited September 27, 2007 by Christian Zulus

[Ed_Haynes]

For those who like Red Banners more than they like gold stars (and have a "spare" $53K!), see:

http://collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17858

[Christian Zulus]

For those who like Red Banners more than they like gold stars (and have a "spare" $53K!), see:

http://collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17858

Dear Ed,

another great group offered by Igor .

Anyhow, if I would be a really rich collector, I would invest the money into the HSU-group of Valerian Mikhailovich Turygin, because it is more interesting from the historic viewpoint, more "heroic", fighter pilot counts more, than bomber pilot and Turygin made also a good career during the Cold War till 1960, when he retired.

AND you will save USD 21.000,-

Well, screwback RBs #3 & #2 are something very special, but a RB #4 is also not soooo bad .... .

Best regards

Christian

[order_of_victory]

That is realy strrange that a great HSU group costs less than a Red Banner / Nevsky group well I know were put my money

Order of Victory

[Christian Zulus]

AND you will save USD 21.000,-

Gentlemen,

to all, who run around with tenthousends of US-bucks in their pockets and who don't know, how to spend that cash:

For the saved USD 21.000,-, if you opt for the HSH-group instead for the RB-group, Igor offers now an outstanding Glory-Cavalier-group of the 1st category:

http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17870

So, you have the choice at Igor's webshop:

Either one HSU-group + one Glory-Cavalier-group OR (only) one RB-screwback-group .

Well, I would opt for HSU & Glory .

Best regards

Christian

[Ed_Haynes]

Maybe I should just offer Igor my firstborn? Actually, my thirdborn is a better deal, teenage, female, unusually attractive, has a real GIFT for languages . . . .

Edited October 2, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Ed_Haynes]

Ouch!

Now an even nicer hero group

http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17880

"just" $55K!!!!!!!

Let me see, I have THRE children, and a wife, and a cat, and . . . .

(And the hero star for Vienna, Christian, hello, . . . ???? )

Edited October 2, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Vatjan]

The red banner group seems to have been sold already.

Does anyone have a pic?

Jan

[slava1stclass]

Ouch!

Now an even nicer hero group

http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17880

"just" $55K!!!!!!!

Let me see, I have THRE children, and a wife, and a cat, and . . . .

(And the hero star for Vienna, Christian, hello, . . . ???? )

To all:

55K and not a single PMD Certificate of Authenticity in sight. Be careful, as this stuff might not be "authentic."

My, how times have changed.

Regards,

slava1stclass

Edited October 3, 2007 by slava1stclass

[Christian Zulus]

Dear,

Vienna would love that group . But neither my person, nor our HGM Military History Museum have that budget for buying the group .

Anyhow, looking what that complete groups contains, the price tag of USD 55k is an extraordinary bargain.

Well, according to the scans, the medals - Kutuzov 2cl, RB #2 & #4, etc. - look authentic and genuine, if I compare them to the items in my collection.

Best regards

Christian

BTW: To have had for the last 6 month a budget of around USD 300k for shopping at Igor's webshop would have been great ...

Ouch!

Now an even nicer hero group

http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17880

"just" $55K!!!!!!!

Let me see, I have THRE children, and a wife, and a cat, and . . . .

(And the hero star for Vienna, Christian, hello, . . . ???? )

[Bryan]

Dear,

Anyhow, looking what that complete groups contains, the price tag of USD 55k is an extraordinary bargain.

Christian you are funny! Even with the increasing prices, you often find that everything is a bargain! It is indeed a nice group, but a bargain ... I don't think so.

BTW, I wonder how many medals are missing in this group.

[Ed_Haynes]

Missing: At least one Lenin.

Bargain? Well, compared to a VC group, it is pocket change.

[Bryan]

Missing: At least one Lenin.

Bargain? Well, compared to a VC group, it is pocket change.

Just for comparison how many Victoria Cross have been awarded compared to HSU? I know next to nothing on British medals.

[Ed_Haynes]

Just for comparison how many Victoria Cross have been awarded compared to HSU? I know next to nothing on British medals.

To date (1856 to present) 1,356 VCs.

HSU (1934-1991) awarded 12,745 times.

The last VC group sold at auction by Dix, Noonan, Webb was on 22 September 2006 (http://www.dnw.co.uk/dnw/medals/FMPro?-db=...4283&-find=) and the hammer price (before fees) was ?180,000.

Edited October 3, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Bob]

hmm I'd prefer 100 Sukh Baatars:)

[Ed_Haynes]

hmm I'd prefer 100 Sukh Baatars:)

Yes, when you realise we're looking at a total of something under 2500 Sukhbaatars awarded (to date). Getting that 100 of them would given you a herd of maybe 4% of the total.

[Bryan]

To date (1856 to present) 1,356 VCs.

HSU (1934-1991) awarded 12,745 times.

So in my opinion we can't compare the prices in regard of the rarity in this case. Anyway, I wonder how much a group like the one at 55 K sold during the economic crisis of Russia in 1998-1999. That was a steal at that time for foreign collectors.

EDIT : BTW I just realised the VC was awarded during WWI. That's another thing I think we should't compare it with a HSU group from 1945.

Edited October 3, 2007 by Soviet

[Christian Zulus]

Christian you are funny! Even with the increasing prices, you often find that everything is a bargain! It is indeed a nice group, but a bargain ... I don't think so.

BTW, I wonder how many medals are missing in this group.

Dear Bryan,

sorry .... I oversaw, that this group seems to be incomplete .

Anyhow, if you calculate the value of the singular items + the historic value, that group is a bargain .

The capture of Vienna had not been just a "footnote" in the history of the GPW, it was strategically more than important .

Best regards

Christian

[order_of_victory]

Just spotted this on Collect Russia, http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17888 I think this group takes some beating for the price

Order of Victory

[Christian Zulus]

Just spotted this on Collect Russia, http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=17888 I think this group takes some beating for the price

Order of Victory

Nice and interesting group, but according to the "heroic content" and the career of our comrade, it seems a bit overpriced.

Problems: The Motherland 3cl seems to be "unresearchable" and some (important) badges are missing (+ their docs) .

I paid for my complete & researched Soviet naval group, from a comrade with a rather similar career (he retired too soon, so he didn't promote - as a brigade commander (!) - to the rank of a Rear Admiral ), in spring 2002 mere USD 400,- . O.K., without Nakhimov ... : http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11948

USD 78.000,- for merits in minesweeping during the GPW are a bit heavy - that's my humble opinion .

But it is a Soviet Navy group and will be sold soon ....

Best regards

Christian

[order_of_victory]

Nice and interesting group, but according to the "heroic content" and the career of our comrade, it seems a bit overpriced.

Problems: The Motherland 3cl seems to be "unresearchable" and some (important) badges are missing (+ their docs) .

I paid for my complete & researched Soviet naval group, from a comrade with a rather similar career (he retired too soon, so he didn't promote - as a brigade commander (!) - to the rank of a Rear Admiral ), in spring 2002 mere USD 400,- . O.K., without Nakhimov ... : http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11948

USD 78.000,- for merits in minesweeping during the GPW are a bit heavy - that's my humble opinion .

But it is a Soviet Navy group and will be sold soon ....

Best regards

Christian

What makes this group special and worth the money in my eyes is the Nakhimov I seem to remember Collect Russia had a Nakhimov for not much less than the total of this group

BTW realy nice group Christian

Order of Victory

[Christian Zulus]

What makes this group special and worth the money in my eyes is the Nakhimov I seem to remember Collect Russia had a Nakhimov for not much less than the total of this group

BTW realy nice group Christian

Dear Vic,

many thanks for your compliments concerning my own Kandybin group .

I think you are right: It's the Nakhimov, which boosts the price tag .

So, this group might be again one of Igor's recent "bargains" for the rich collector ...

Best regards

Christian

Edited October 10, 2007 by Christian Zulus