TerryG Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 (edited) ...... Edited January 1, 2008 by TerryG
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Bayoswede, thats the idea yes A few tips:- in the second row there are the C= Combat, NC = Non Combat NCB = Non Combat Black listings, you should maybe try to add two more colums giving them those names? We want a column for each medal right? One picture for C, one for NC and one for NCB (or as i prefer W = widows).- the picture in the "picture-column" now shows a complete backpicture, but with more medals added this would all look the same, maybe only list the makersmark thumbnail and then when you click on it the whole picture shows up?just a few little ideas, i like this project, it will be immense and we will need LOTS of pictures of close up maker marks on all these medals (i love it ), ill post a few of mine later tonight too.on http://stirnpanzer.com/forum/index.php there is a first attempt at making a list with all makers, i copied it under here, maybe its usefull. the list is far from complete, but it's a start. (and i don't know if posting links to other sites is allowed, excuse me if not, moderator just delete it then):Makers MarksProbably not complete, so new are welcomeMark Firm PlaceA F. W. Assmann & S?hne L?denscheidA.&S. F. W. Assmann & S?hne L?denscheidAD. B. L. (im Kreis) Adolf Baumeister L?denscheid (No Swords) BCO (im Trapez) Biedermann & Co. OberkasselB.H. L. unbekannt unbekanntCEJ C. E. Junker BerlinC.P. Carl Poellath SchrobenhausenC.Th.D Carl Theodor Hicke L?denscheidCW Carl Wild HamburgD&C unbekannt unbekanntDG Gustav Danner M?hlhausenD.S.M. Deschler & Sohn M?nchenErbe (als Script) unbekannt unbekanntERK (im Sechseck) unbekannt unbekanntE S L (im Kreis) unbekannt unbekanntF&B.L. Funcke & Br?ninghaus L?denscheidFHB met F in bovenste deel Hen B in onderste onbekend onbekend (Hinter)F.&Co. unbekannt unbekanntF.L. unbekannt unbekanntG (im Kreis) unbekannt unbekanntG Extrablatt unbekannt unbekanntG1, G2, G6, G7, G8, G9, G10, G11, G13, G14, G15, G17, G18, G19, G20, G21 unbekannt unbekanntG.&L. L. unbekannt unbekanntG. & S. Glaser & S?hne DresdenGbr. D. L. (im Kreis) unbekannt unbekannt (Swords)GG unbekannt unbekanntGHO G. H. Osang DresdenGWL Gebr?der Wegerhoff L?denscheidH&C L Hymmen & Co. L?denscheidH&C L. (im Kreis) Hymmen & Co. L?denscheidHM unbekannt unbekanntHKM unbekannt unbekanntI.C.M unbekannt unbekanntJMME unbekannt unbekanntJK (im Dreieck) unbekannt unbekanntK (im Dreieck) unbekannt unbekanntKM&F unbekannt unbekanntKMF (in jew. Kreis untereinander) unbekannt unbekanntL. NBG. Christian Lauer N?rnbergM. & W. STUTTGART unbekannt StuttgartMAYER&F?RSTER STUTTGART Fa. Mayer & F?rster StuttgartN (im Dreieck) B&N unbekannt unbekanntN.&H. oder N.u.H. N?lle & H?ck GmbH L?denscheidO. Extrablatt Orden-Herstellergemeinschaft PforzheimO.1, O.2, O.4, O.5 (im Kasten), O.6, O.8, O.10, O.11, O.12, O.13, O.14, O.15, O.16 Orden-Herstellergemeinschaft PforzheimO&B unbekannt unbekanntO u C L (in Raute) Overhoff & Cle L?denscheidP unbekannt unbekanntP.&C. L. Paulmann & Crone L?denscheidPM Paul Meybauer BerlinPSL (im Kreis) unbekannt unbekanntR.V Pforzheim Extrablatt Reichsverband Pforzheim1, 2, 7, 14, 32, 39, No 44, 45, 50, 72, 85 RV. Pforzheim Reichsverband PforzheimRV. 9, 13, 24, 26, 34, 37, 38, 43, 47, 67 Pforzheim Reichsverband PforzheimRV. Pforzheim 18, 21, 29, 45 Reichsverband PforzheimSch. unbekannt unbekanntSch.&H. unbekannt unbekanntSt.&L. Steinhauer & L?ck L?denscheidT.H.W. unbekannt unbekanntT.&T. L. Twer & Turck L?denscheidW (im Quadrat) unbekannt unbekanntW&L. M. W?chtler & Lange MittweidaW. D D. unbekannt unbekanntW.K. unbekannt unbekannt (Swords)W.R. unbekannt unbekanntW.SCH.&Co. Wilhelm Schr?der & Co. L?denscheid (Hinter) (stil. Haus) unbekannt unbekanntkind regards,Gaston(ps: only if i may say so... some TERRIBLE google adds.... )
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 @Terry G: nice ones, but the maker marks should be more clear, that's actually the only part we would want especially highlighted in the list.regards,Gaston
Bayoswede Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Thanks all for so much info!I will try to get as much makers as possible first and than put in pics. Sorry for the very heave commercial site , but that is all I have for the moment. I feel that this is going to be a BIG job I?ll be back Christer
Guest Rick Research Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Yes. I will just post documents. Here is another good example of the "potential" with Urkunden:Reichsbank Employee looks like and it was issued in the capitol of W?rttemberg, but Bielke was a demobilized Bavarian foot artillery Major on his second "mid life" career!Oddly enough, the Police President of Stuttgart--Rudolf Klaiber (born 1873) was that rarest of Third Reich higher functionaries-- a career civil servant and PROFESSIONAL police official. He had been in charge of Stuttgart's Provincial Criminal Police Directorate since 1914, served during the war as head of military police in the W?rttemberg General Staff, and returned from the war to take over as Director of the W?rttemberg Landeskriminalpolizei Amt.He had also been serving as Polizei Pr?sident of Stuttgart since 1923!Now there is no "autograph value" to any of this-- but the social and political backgrounds to be revealed (when legible ) from Hindenburg Cross documents are fascinating!Note that Bielke initialled down at the bottom right "handed out 13.03.35" implying some sort of festive ceremony for the presentation-- perhaps in a batch with other Bank employees?
TerryG Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 As part of a collection of these crosses the following would also have a place:
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 well, then this one should belong here too i guess, excuse the poor quality, picture taken in a dark room and i couldn't use the flash because the paper is still period framed...
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Here is another combat medal mounted in austrian style:
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 backside:detail of the maker:B&N COULD be maker Berg & Nolte out of Ludenscheid??? (im not 100% sure, maybe some of the maker experts can confirm this?)regards,Gaston
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Another rare variant, i heard someone calling this the Sachsen style of mounting?
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 backside:maker mark detail: P&C.L is maker Paulmann & Crone from L?denscheidregards,Gaston
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Next up a non combatant medal, unfortunately without ribbon:
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Backside with makers mark:Maker mark detail:G & S is maker Glaser & S?hne from Dresdenkind Regards,Gaston
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Another non combatant version, single mounted.Notice the more round shapes of the inner circle, this is definately something characteristic for this maker!
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Backside:Maker mark detail:K M & F is maker ???? I have no idea and can't find it out so fast?
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Another single mounted medal, this time a combatant version again:
jabnus Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 Backside:Maker mark detail:W is maker ??? Can't find this one again???
Bayoswede Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Nice Pics !I hope you don?t mind if I borrow them f?r the reference library?I got another maker named yesterday by an Swedish collector (PSL) All the best from SwedenChrister
jabnus Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Christer,Please feel free to use anything you want, that's why i posted these here in the first place, it's about time these medals finally get investigated a bit better!Over the next few days/weeks i'll try to post more pictures in this section ;-)kind regards,Gaston
jabnus Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 After looking at the site again:Great stuff! and im most surprised you found the makers for KM&F en W.Last night i googled a bit and couldn't find them, very cool you have found them.Also i noticed a few pictures of makers marks only and no full shots, i guess it would be easy to pick most marks just from the internet, but im not sure what to think of that? I could give you a site with a few dozens for sale, a lot of makers are to be found there.Personnally i like the idea of a project here with all new original pictures a bit more ;-)regards,Gaston
jabnus Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 and after digging out a few more medals here we go again ;-)Good thing we have some holidays over here, gives me some time to take a few pictures:
jabnus Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 backside and makers mark:makers mark:ERk is maker ???
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