EK 1939 EK2, how many different makers were there?

[sftrooper86]

Hello Gentlemen,

I wish to start collecting WW2 EK2s by maker marked ring numbers. How many are there? Which numbers are the most difficult to find? How much can I expect to pay for the different ones?

Is this a futile undertaking? Can it even be completed in ones lifetime? Any suggestions on who to contact to start this journey (dealer/collector) I have a lot of trading fodder if anyone is interested.

Thank you in advance,

Vince

[Richard Gordon]

Here's a list that I was compiling. This is from either a marked ring or packet but does not list the equivalent LDO number.

As you can see there are many confirmed makers and may be even more as yet undiscovered.

Rich

1 Deschler &Sohn Munchen

2 C.E. Juncker Berlin

3 Wilheim Deumer Ludenscheld

4 Steinhauer & Luck Ludenscheld

5 Hermann Wernstein Jena-Lobstedt

6 Fritz Zimmermann Stuttgart

7 Paul Meybauer Berlin

8 Ferdinand Hoffstadter Bonn a. Rhein

9 Liefergsmeinschaft Scmuckhandwerker Pforzheim

10 Foerster & Barth Pforzheim

11 Grossmann & Co. Wien

12 Frank & Reif Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen

13 Gustav Brehmer Markneukirchen/Sa

14 L. Chr. Lauer Nurnberg-W

15 Friedrich Orth Wien

16 Alols Rettenmaler Scwablsch-Gmund

19 E. Ferd Weidmann Frankfurt/Main

20 C.F. Zimmermann Pforzheim

21 Gebr. Godet & Co. Berlin

22 Boerger & Co. Berlin

23 Arbeitsgemeinschaft fur Heereshedarf darf In der Graveur-u. Ziseleurinnung

24 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plaket-ten-hersteller

25 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-Gold-und Silberschemiede-Innungen

26 B. H. Mayer's Kunst-prageanstalt Pforzheim

27 Anton Schenkl's Nachf. Wien

33 Friedrich Linden Ludenscheld

39 Rudolf Berge Gablonz a.d.N.

40 Berg & Nolte Ludenscheld

44 Jakob Bengel Idar/Oberdonau

49 Josef Feix Sohne Gablonz a.d.N.

50 Karl Gschiermeister Wien

52 Gottlieb & Wagner Ldar/Oberstein

55 J.E. Hammer & Sohne Geringswalde

56 Robert Hauschild Pforzheim

57 Karl Hensler Pforzheim

60 Katz & Deyhle Pforzheim

65 Klein & Quenzer A.G. Idar/Oberstein

66 Freidrich Keller Oberstein

70 Lind & Meyrer Oberstein a.d.N.

75 (Unknown)

76 Ernst L. Muller Pforzheim

77 Bayer. Hauptmunzamt Munchen

85 Julius Pletsch Gablonz/N.

86 Paulmann & Crone Ludenscheid

92 Josef Rucker & Sohn Gablonz a.d.N.

93 Richard Simm & Sohne Gablonz a.d.N.

98 Rudolf Souval Wien

100 Rudolf Wachtler & Lange Mittweida

106 Bruder Schneider A.G. Wien

107 Carl Wild Hamburg

109 Walter & Hentein Gablonz a.d.N.

113 Hermann Aurich Dresden

114 Ludwig Bertsch Karlsruhe

117 Hugo Lang Wiesenthal a.N.

120 Franz Petzl Wien

122 JJ. Stahl Strassburg

123 Beck, Hassinger & Co. Strassburg

125 Eugen Gauss Pforzheim

126 Eduard Hahn Oberstein/Nahe

127 Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim

128 S. Jablonski G.m.b.H. Posen

131 Heinrich Wander Gablonz

132 Franz Reischauer Oberstein

133 (Unknown)

137 J.H. Werner Berlin

138 Julius Maurer Oberstein

140 Schauerte & Hohfeld Ludenscheid

142 A.D. Schwerdt Stuttgart

[Scott]

Vince, the photo below shows what a complete set would look like. Depending on condition, 1939 EKIIs seem to average somewhere between $70-$150, and seem to be go up in price about 10% a year. Please keep us up to date on your progress!

Scott

(Just kidding with the photo )

[sftrooper86]

Vince, the photo below shows what a complete set would look like. Depending on condition, 1939 EKIIs seem to average somewhere between $70-$150, and seem to be go up in price about 10% a year. Please keep us up to date on your progress!

Scott

(Just kidding with the photo )

WOW!

Thanks Rich! That's the jackpot wealth of information! Can you help me on my journey? I am assuming you know how it is done. Also which are the most difficult to locate by your personal experience.

Thank you again!

My best,

Vince

[Steve campbell]

There are a bunch that are going to be hard to find. If I were you I would start by picking up some of the more common makes in good condition at a good price because many collectors already have them. Among the makes I see pop up often are 4, 13, 24, 25, 27, 55, 65, 100, 113. There are others, but these should be the easiest to achieve. Even these are going to run you close on a thousand US maybe more, so it's a long term thing.

[sftrooper86]

There are a bunch that are going to be hard to find. If I were you I would start by picking up some of the more common makes in good condition at a good price because many collectors already have them. Among the makes I see pop up often are 4, 13, 24, 25, 27, 55, 65, 100, 113. There are others, but these should be the easiest to achieve. Even these are going to run you close on a thousand US maybe more, so it's a long term thing.

Hello Steve,

Thank you very much for the info. Now how about the rarest ones.

Thanks again,

Vince

[joe campbell]

scott....

that's just plain SICK....

seriously, job well done!!

don't forget the LDO numbered crosses.

should be e somewhat smaller number of those.

vince, these were essentially the same crosses,

but made for purchase at "retail" outlets with

the appropriate award documents shown.

joe

PS vince, i like the one on the left.

[buellmeister]

Seeing that picture just made me want to go and hunt for about fifty more to add to my collection. Oh my God, Now I know what Pavlov's Dog went through... LOL!

[Richard Gordon]

Gawd, I love that photo everytime I see it. Just imagine how many EKII's there are there...

From memory... this is from a museum in Russia? Anyone remember where?

[Scott]

I don't recall which museum that photo is from - but it's always been one of my favorite photos too.

Scott

[TerryG]

Gawd, I love that photo everytime I see it. Just imagine how many EKII's there are there...

From memory... this is from a museum in Russia? Anyone remember where?

The one on the edge of Red Square????

[Motorhead]

Here's a list that I was compiling. This is from either a marked ring or packet but does not list the equivalent LDO number.

As you can see there are many confirmed makers and may be even more as yet undiscovered.

Rich

1 Deschler &Sohn Munchen

2 C.E. Juncker Berlin

3 Wilheim Deumer Ludenscheld

4 Steinhauer & Luck Ludenscheld

5 Hermann Wernstein Jena-Lobstedt

6 Fritz Zimmermann Stuttgart

7 Paul Meybauer Berlin

8 Ferdinand Hoffstadter Bonn a. Rhein

9 Liefergsmeinschaft Scmuckhandwerker Pforzheim

10 Foerster & Barth Pforzheim

11 Grossmann & Co. Wien

12 Frank & Reif Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen

13 Gustav Brehmer Markneukirchen/Sa

14 L. Chr. Lauer Nurnberg-W

15 Friedrich Orth Wien

16 Alols Rettenmaler Scwablsch-Gmund

19 E. Ferd Weidmann Frankfurt/Main

20 C.F. Zimmermann Pforzheim

21 Gebr. Godet & Co. Berlin

22 Boerger & Co. Berlin

23 Arbeitsgemeinschaft fur Heereshedarf darf In der Graveur-u. Ziseleurinnung

24 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plaket-ten-hersteller

25 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-Gold-und Silberschemiede-Innungen

26 B. H. Mayer's Kunst-prageanstalt Pforzheim

27 Anton Schenkl's Nachf. Wien

33 Friedrich Linden Ludenscheld

39 Rudolf Berge Gablonz a.d.N.

40 Berg & Nolte Ludenscheld

44 Jakob Bengel Idar/Oberdonau

49 Josef Feix Sohne Gablonz a.d.N.

50 Karl Gschiermeister Wien

52 Gottlieb & Wagner Ldar/Oberstein

55 J.E. Hammer & Sohne Geringswalde

56 Robert Hauschild Pforzheim

57 Karl Hensler Pforzheim

60 Katz & Deyhle Pforzheim

65 Klein & Quenzer A.G. Idar/Oberstein

66 Freidrich Keller Oberstein

70 Lind & Meyrer Oberstein a.d.N.

75 (Unknown)

76 Ernst L. Muller Pforzheim

77 Bayer. Hauptmunzamt Munchen

85 Julius Pletsch Gablonz/N.

86 Paulmann & Crone Ludenscheid

92 Josef Rucker & Sohn Gablonz a.d.N.

93 Richard Simm & Sohne Gablonz a.d.N.

98 Rudolf Souval Wien

100 Rudolf Wachtler & Lange Mittweida

106 Bruder Schneider A.G. Wien

107 Carl Wild Hamburg

109 Walter & Hentein Gablonz a.d.N.

113 Hermann Aurich Dresden

114 Ludwig Bertsch Karlsruhe

117 Hugo Lang Wiesenthal a.N.

120 Franz Petzl Wien

122 JJ. Stahl Strassburg

123 Beck, Hassinger & Co. Strassburg

125 Eugen Gauss Pforzheim

126 Eduard Hahn Oberstein/Nahe

127 Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim

128 S. Jablonski G.m.b.H. Posen

131 Heinrich Wander Gablonz

132 Franz Reischauer Oberstein

133 (Unknown)

137 J.H. Werner Berlin

138 Julius Maurer Oberstein

140 Schauerte & Hohfeld Ludenscheid

142 A.D. Schwerdt Stuttgart

Richard,we need to talk Seriously,when I remember the WAF rarity stats I always had the feeling that a few things have to be requested. First we should separate the known ring stampings from the paper bags! Maybe we could list the makers with the rings? For example-I've never seen an "86" stamp in a ribbon ring-all as "86" introduced ones have tourned out as "98" Souvals.On the other hand a few things are missing(for example the 136 micro stamp).

Micha

[sftrooper86]

Richard,we need to talk Seriously,when I remember the WAF rarity stats I always had the feeling that a few things have to be requested. First we should separate the known ring stampings from the paper bags! Maybe we could list the makers with the rings? For example-I've never seen an "86" stamp in a ribbon ring-all as "86" introduced ones have tourned out as "98" Souvals.On the other hand a few things are missing(for example the 136 micro stamp).

Micha

Thanks Gentlemen,

Its the beginning of a long journey!

My best,

Vince

[Richard Gordon]

Richard,we need to talk Seriously,when I remember the WAF rarity stats I always had the feeling that a few things have to be requested. First we should separate the known ring stampings from the paper bags! Maybe we could list the makers with the rings? For example-I've never seen an "86" stamp in a ribbon ring-all as "86" introduced ones have tourned out as "98" Souvals.On the other hand a few things are missing(for example the 136 micro stamp).

Micha

Micha

Well that is one problem as I have no idea which were from ring markings and which were from packets. Of course, there was a certain amount of trust involved that those adding information where doing so correctly and honestly. We could go back through the old thread and separate them though.

Rich

[Steve campbell]

From the list that was supplied above, how many crosses can members here produce from thier collections, or state without a doubt they have seen genuine examples? Alot of them exist, I even have many myself, and I know there are alot of super collections out there, but do all those makers really exist. Let's hear from the collectors who have almost all of them or who have been collecting for years to get a perspective on what makers may not even exist.

Edited November 1, 2007 by Steve campbell