Jump to content

Who was with the Kaiser in Jerusalem in 1898?


Recommended Posts

I am looking for a list of people who went with the Kaiser to Jerusalem in 1898 and would have received the Jerusalem Kreuz. If anyone has a list and can tell me that would be great. Also if anyone on the list had the China and Kolonial medal for cambattants I would like to know. Thanks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 9 months later...

Paul,

Digging up an old thread, but the four ships and the commanders were:

- SM Yacht Hohenzollern (Adm. Frhr. Von Bodenhausen)

- SMS Hela (Korv-Kpt. Sommerwerck)

- SMS Hertha (Korv.-Kpt. von Usedom)

- SMS Loreley (Korv.-Kpt. von Witzleben)

I'd be grateful if someone has more info regarding these persons and their awards, especially if they held the Jersusalem cross. Otherwise, and unfortunately, I can't be of any more assistance...

Laurens

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Paul,

ask please Bernd D. or Komtur, greetings from me ;o), they have the list from the book by Mirbach with 188 People on the Palestine trip of the emperor.

Greetings Mike

Yes, I have that roll - but I believe I was sending it to Paul C a few month ago :unsure: If not, please let me know!

Best regards, Komtur.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Komtur,

Did everyone receive a Jerusalem cross when they were invited for this journey? Including females?

Or was the cross only awarded to military personnel?

Laurens

Unfortunately, we do not know that in detail. In a book, published short after the journey by Freiherr von Mirbach (Oberhofmeister of the Empress) it is written: Back in the camp the Kaiser goes into the tents and handed over personally to everyone of his escort the Jerusalem-Kreuz endowed by himself. From the same book is the roll of persons belonging to this escort. There you find lots of women. It is not clear, if really everyone of this roll got this cross. Additionally we do not know, if other persons, not listed in that roll, got the cross too.

I add a picture of the cross from Mirbachs book:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have read somewere that also women received the Cross. It it also according the rules.

About the Mirbach list:

I do not think that everybody on it got the cross. In my opinion only those persons got it who were officially invited to the journey.

On the other hand lots of navy personal on the ships got the cross but are not listed.

There are quite a few medalbars around with the cross worn by former sailors. They are very hard to research. Some time ago Heiko sold a nice medalbar but it is impossible to find out to whom it belonged.

By now I did not find anything about the cross in the archiv.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In that case I?m afraid the DOA is not a great help:

Bernhard F?rst von B?low is on the Mirbach roll and got the cross. He is also in the DOA 1908/9, but the Jerusalemkreuz is not listed there.

BTW Bernd, could we see the whole person :rolleyes:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Generalleutnant Hans von Plessen (later Generaloberst) is on Mirbachs roll, got the cross and if you think his Jerusalemkreuz is listed in the DOA 1908/9 , you are wrong.

Well, we all know that the DOA is incomplete and not an official document.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It is Kurt von Morgen.

:jumping::jumping::jumping:

:cool: As we used to say in our little country: Even a blind chicken sometimes find a corn :rolleyes:

No, I posted Morgen just by chance. But we know now, that the von Morgen in the DOA 1908/9 is the same, because it is Curt!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Back to Curt von Morgen. As we have now to pictures of him with the Jerusalemkreuz and one with this cross on the bar, the other with the cross as a single decoration, it is quite clear, that only one can be the original cross handed out by the Kaiser. The other must be a privat made item.

So not everything looking exactly like the cross here must be a fake!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • Blog Comments

    • As a theology student my professor, a much published former Naval chaplain, set us an essay, saying that if we could answer that successfully we would be guaranteed  a good degree "Which of the gospel writers was the biggest liar, discuss."   I got a good mark, but  don't want to be burned for heresy.   P
    • As my father used to say: "Tain't so much Pappy's a liar - he just remembers big."  
    • Brian: First, let me say that I always enjoy reading your blog and your "spot on" comments.  Another fine topic with such a broad expansion into so many different facets.  I had watched this a week or two ago and when reading your blog, it reminded me of this great quote.   There is a great video on the origins of "Who was Murphy in Murphy's Law"   Anyway, about mid way through this video, there is this great quote and I think it sums it up quite well to your statem
    • I've received word from the Curator that she has permission to re-open this summer.   We're already making plans for a November event at the Museum.   Michael
    • I recall I did the same on hot days at Old Fort York back in 1973-74 - wool uniforms, and at 90F they would let you take your backpack off.   Michael
×
×
  • Create New...