Robert Noss Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 The only portrait I got today on a local fleamarket ist that one:First I thought it is Reichswehr, but when at home and looking closer to the uniform, I recognized that it is a Navy uniform.He wears props on his shoulder-boards.... and the bavarian pilots badge..The photo is dated 1916When researching a bit about 1st WW Navy Pilots, I found out that there were Navy Pilot badges too, but this one is a regular bavarian Pilot's badge.He is an NCO, I always thought that 1st WW pilots were officers, not as in WW 2, when many pilots were EMs and NCOs.I think it is an interesting photo and maybe some people can add some more information on this one.BTW - it was a 1 Euro buy. Kind regardsRobert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dwyer Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 (edited) Robert,I'm not anywhere near being an expert, so there are many others more qualified than I to speak on the matter, but I do not agree with you that he is Navy. If he was Navy his hat would only have the Reichskokarde, the Navy did not wear a state kokarde. He is an Offizierstellvertreter. Edited February 10, 2008 by Mike Dwyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 (edited) ... Edited February 10, 2008 by Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Robert,This is a stardard (Bavarian) pilot's badge as you have discovered. The man is an Offizierstellvertreter. There were NCO pilots in WWI with ranks as low as Unteroffizier.By the way, I would be happy to triple your purchase price for this photo! Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Noss Posted February 10, 2008 Author Share Posted February 10, 2008 Yes, I see.I was misleaded by the shape of the shoulder-boards, which look like they are pointed.But You are both right of course, he's just a regular bavarian pilot.ThanksRobert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Yes, I see.I was misleaded by the shape of the shoulder-boards, which look like they are pointed.But You are both right of course, he's just a regular bavarian pilot.ThanksRobertVary nice picture of an bavarian NCO with pilot badge, EK 1, EK 2, and bav. MVK.congratulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 AAAGGGHHHHH! Too bad he did not sign his NAME !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 (edited) Congratulation, that's a really nice photo. I like it a lot. Conserning the navy pilot's badge. Have you seen my miniature of the Marine See flieger abzeichen that I have posted in this forum? I don't know how to make a link to my post, but it's called "Flieger abzeichen miniature".Snoopy Edited February 10, 2008 by Snoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwmosher Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Interestingly, the buttons on this Bavavarian pilot are Prussian (crown)vs. the proper lion motif.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Good eye Dave! Odd isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Not just a Bavarian Pilot Photo.... one of the best of the handful of images on this subject I've ever seen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K. Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 It appears as if the crown of the badge is "cut-out" or pierced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I don't think so... looks like the normal "shadow" effect from the two-piece badge.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K. Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Wishful thinking on my part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Wishful thinking on my part!I see it and I wonder why an NCO would have a Bavarian Pilot badge but a Prussian tunic. WHY? Is it possible for a Bavarian to wear a Prussian tunic or a Prussian to wear a Bavarian Pilot badge?What does he Kokarde look to represent on his visor cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Cole Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Maybe he's a Prussian with the wrong pilot's badge for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Cockade looks Bavarian to me-- but the clincher is the way he is wearing his ribbons.Despite his tunic buttons, he is wearing the Bavarian MMC ribbon in pride of place....He's a Bavarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Cockade looks Bavarian to me-- but the clincher is the way he is wearing his ribbons.Despite his tunic buttons, he is wearing the Bavarian MMC ribbon in pride of place....He's a Bavarian.Why the Prussian buttons? I just don't understand. The 1916 Bavarian tunic was to use the Prussian style button as on the 1915 tunic but I've never seen a 07/10 tunic for a Bavarian using Prussian buttons. I agree, Bavarian ribbon over the Prussian plus the Bavarian Pilots Badge makes one conclude he was a Bavarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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