Soviet President of Russia awards Glory 2nd and 3rd:

[Hauptmann]

Hi all,

Just spotted this one and thought it might be of interest:

http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/text/news/2008/07/203523.shtml

July 3, 2008

16:20 News

BAKU.Dmitry Medvedev awarded Great Patriotic War veteran and citizen of Azerbaijan Agadadash Samedov the Order of Glory 2nd and 3rd degree.

Agadadash Samedov should have received these awards during the war, but one of the orders got lost and he did not receive the other award because he was presumed dead.

Agadadash Samedov liberated the North Caucasus, Ukraine and European countries from the fascists. In 1942, on Ukrainian territory near Dubno he remained alone after his squadron retreated, defending against the approaching forces. For this feat he received the Order of Glory 3rd degree. Agadadash Samedov also participated in the Vislo-Oderskoy operation and the capture of Berlin.

In an order dated June 6, 1945 Agadadash Samedov was awarded another Order of Glory (2nd degree) for courage and bravery displayed in the Great Patriotic War.

In December 1945 he returned to his native village where he worked as an agronomist before retiring in 1980. He has 13 children, 44 grandchildren and 36 grandchildren. Today Mr Samedov is 84 years old.

In addition to the orders of glory which were presented to him by the President of Russia, Agadadash Samedov was awarded a Great Patriotic War Order 1st degree and has more than 10 medals and honorary titles.

More than 700 thousand Soviet citizens born in Azerbaijan fought on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War and more than half of them died.

Official visit to Azerbaijan, Baku, July 3, 2008

Dan :cheers:

[Riley1965]

I'm glad that he received the awards due him while he was still alive!!!

Doc

[Paul R]

It is nice to see that they are still honoring their WW2 vets! Thanks for sharing this article!

[Guest Rick Research]

Interesting.

Still bestowing decorations from a country which no longer exists...

unless maybe it is coming BACK, eh?

This'll make for a very interesting serial numbers range, should that ever become known.

1985 jubilee OPW in... 2008.... :speechless1:

[Elmar Lang]

...my father received his Medal for Valour more or less 10 years later his act of bravery in Northern Africa (for the same act, he received the Iron Cross 1st Class, exactly the day after).

I thought that a slow bureaucracy would have been a privilege of Italy and of the now dissolved Ottoman Empire...

Best wishes,

Elmar Lang

[JimZ]

Interesting.

Still bestowing decorations from a country which no longer exists...

unless maybe it is coming BACK, eh?

This'll make for a very interesting serial numbers range, should that ever become known.

1985 jubilee OPW in... 2008....

Correct me if I am wrong but the Glories are one of the 'cleanest' soviet order having no red flag as such (unless the red enamalled scroll constiutes a red banner!), no marxist themes/propoganda, and its also one of the few orders not having the hammer and sickle on its obverse or reverse!

Of course, the Kremlin with its tower and star is also a symbol of modern Russia, although "CCCP" on the reverse does kind of give the game away - but at least its tucked away where no body can see it, (right above the wearer's heart!!!)

Comment on serial numbers is indeed also very, very interesting!

Jim

[Guest Rick Research]

I don't think design enters into it. Presumably there are still stocks (?) of never issued awards available, so then presumably ANY WW2 decoration might be handed out, if Glories are.

So: if Red Stars, for instance, start being handed out... they'd be in the "Afghan" range!

I also wonder what format the award paperwork would take.

[Elmar Lang]

Hello,

I think that the clean design of the Glory Order is due to the fact that it was directly inspired (and designed under a Socialist point of view) from the Tsarist St. George Cross: both decorations to be awarded to soldiers and NCOs, same metal (gold and silver) rised rim and convex arms/rays, same ribbon...

It's the Soviet order I like most. Just my opinion.

Best wishes,

Enzo

[JimZ]

Agreed Rick. My reference to design is in fact only in the context of the Russian Federation handing out Communist era medals - And that is why I refer to it as one of the 'cleaner' orders.

The order that was the cross of St. George did become the Soviet Order of Glory, which yet again, in modern Russia yet again bears the name of St George, thus completing a full circle! I'd paste the link to the modern Russian medals if I remembered where that was!

Jim :cheers:

[Lapa]

...I also wonder what format the award paperwork would take.

Rick,

Soviet medals and orders awarded during the past several years are given with standard Russian Federation booklets. In it, the original Ukaz date and number are indicated to make it clear that it is a catch-up award.

Marc

[Guest Rick Research]

:beer:

This is a rather awkward situation from the legal entitlement standpoint of:

how does Nation "B" continue to award decorations of Nation "A" which formerly occupied the same territory-- but no longer exists?

The only parallel I can think of is the EXCRUCIATING bureaucracy of Italy, still labouring through processing valor awards... for Mussolini's Imperium!

I think we would ALL be if the Germans started playing "catch up" with... Iron Crosses!!!!!

Here in the United States we are no less sclerotic in processing "forgotten" awards to soldiers often long dead in the meantime. For instance, I received my grandfather's 1920 Victory Medal for the FIRST World War-- in 1977. He died in 1956, and I had to apply for it as nearest (interested) male next of kin. But the United States of 1920 was still the same legal United States in 1977.

That is not the case with the ex-Soviet Union and the Russian Federation which replaced it.

If Red Stars, Glories, and so on "can" still be awarded...

does that mean Orders of Lenin and... anything else...can be revived from the numismatically dead also?

That is very strange!