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    3.7 TeNo Armscheibe HAND EMBROIDERED – (Silver BULLION) SubType

    The TeNo 3.7 HAND EMBROIDERED – (BULLION - Silver) SubType Armscheibe is another one of the “Hyper-Rare” TeNo patches. Currently, the shown One (1) example, is the only one of which I am aware. I ‘believe’ that the Type 3.7 also represents a ‘Custom Made’ TeNo Eagle, for the reasons which I will list. Yes – this Example is Also on Black Cloth!

    The Type 3.7 HAND EMBROIDERED – (BULLION - Silver) SubType Armscheibe has the following Characteristics:

    • The base material is of 1 piece of Black wool.

    • There is No ‘Fold Over’ of material. (Bullion Embroidery ‘stitches’ are seen on the Reverse, through a tear in the Black Paper covering) [black Paper is also commonly seen on SS Patches.)

    • The TeNo ‘Eagle Emblem’ is HAND Embroidered using Silver (Aluminum) BULLION Wire.

    • The TeNo Cog Wheel has 13 Cogs (Another Unusual Number!)

    • The Embroidery is fine & shows many details exceptionally well. Distinct ‘twisted BLACK thread’ is used between wing feathers.

    • The Eagle’s Chest shows no feathers, as the Bullion is vertical.

    • The Eagle’s Head has a hand applied large Black Thread ‘Eye.’

    • The Eagle’s LEFT Talon does Not touch the Arm of the Swastica below it (But, it does override the arm of the swastica - which is a bit Unusual.)

    • It is Not Maker Marked.

    VARIATIONS: I am currently aware of this One (1) example of the TeNo Type 3.7 HAND EMBROIDERED – (BULLION - Silver) SubType Armscheibe. It may well be a “1 of Example” – but I am inclined to ‘believe’ that there will be other Examples found, since this type of construction is well known in other TR Organizations. (I look Forward to seeing another Example of this type!)

    ATTACHMENT: Type 3.7 TeNo Armscheibe HAND EMBROIDERED – BULLION

    Posted

    TeNo Armscheibe Type 4.0 – TeNo-POLICE (EM/NCO) EAGLE

    The TeNo Armscheibe Type 4.1 – TeNo-POLICE EM/NCO EAGLE configuration, is that of the familiar Police Sleeve Eagle ‘shape’ – but with a BLACK machine embroidered Eagle, used for TeNo-Police EM/NCO’s. (Information regarding the TeNo-Police Officer Eagle, is to follow.)

    The Introduction of the Type 4.1 – TeNo-POLICE EAGLE is the study of delays, postponements, supply problems & SS political intrigue! The Type 4.1 was a part of Himmler’s ‘formal’ (i.e. Uniform Wearing) incorporation of the TeNo - into the Polizei / SS umbrella (with the Uniform & Insignia changes published September 29, 1942.) But, there were delays & postponements - & another ‘official’ announcement was made May 18, 1943, with an implementation date of June 1, 1943. However, even this important information was Not even published in the TeNo Magazine, “Die Räder” until December, 1943!

    These ‘changes’ were to be implemented 1st for those TeNo units serving outside of the Reich - & then gradually implemented to the then current Dunkelblau uniformed TeNo. Even with all of the past prior delays – there were future delays as well. The Dunkelblau uniformed TeNo, inside of the Reich, had Not received the ‘new’ Police Green uniforms & had Not changed to the 29.9.1942 Ranks (including the wear of the Type 4.1 TeNo-POLICE EAGLE), by the end of the war.

    The Type 4.1 TeNo-Police (EM / NCO) Armscheibe (EAGLE) has the following Characteristics:

    • The base material is of Police GREEN Wool, in an Oval shape backing.

    • A BLACK “Police Type” Eagle is machine embroidered on the Oval.

    • The Eagle’s head faces towards it’s Right Wing.

    • To be worn Only on the TeNo-Police Green Uniform.

    • There is NO TeNo Identification, of Any type, found on this Patch itself – other than the Unique BLACK Color Combination.

    [Recognition of TeNo Membership was designated in the form of a Diamond Shaped Black Raute (Tradition Badge), which incorporated the classic “Cog with TN” emblem, machine embroidered in White Thread – & worn on the Left lower Sleeve.]

    ATTACHMENT: Type 4.1 TeNo Armscheibe – TeNo-POLICE BLACK Eagle + “In-Wear” Foto + Traditions Raute

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    TeNo Armscheibe Type 4.2 – TeNo-POLICE EAGLE - OFFICER

    The TeNo Armscheibe Type 4.2 – TeNo-POLICE EAGLE - OFFICER configuration, was specified [in the above Regulations] as being that of the standard Bullion Police Officer Sleeve Eagle – for use on the TeNo-Police Green Uniform only. (So, in reality – there is No ‘Unique’ TeNo-Police Officer’s Sleeve Eagle, since the Eagle is of the same configuration as that worn by other Police Officers [on the Green Police Uniform].)

    The TeNo Armscheibe Type 4.2 – TeNo-POLICE EAGLE - OFFICER - has the following Characteristics:

    • The base material is of Police GREEN Wool, in an Oval shape.

    • A “Police Type” Eagle is Hand Embroidered using Silver Bullion Wire, on the Oval (usually over a template.) Thus, many hand-made variations.

    • The Swastica, at the base, is made of BLACK Thread.

    • The Eagle’s head faces towards its Right Wing.

    • The Reverse may be either Open, revealing the Bullion Wire – or covered by a Black Paper backing.

    • To be worn Only on the Officer’s type of TeNo-Police Green Uniform.

    • There is NO TeNo Identification, of Any type, found on this Patch itself. (It is a Police Type Bullion Eagle).

    [As Noted Above - Recognition of TeNo Membership was designated in the form of a Diamond Shaped Black Raute (Tradition Badge), which incorporated the classic “Cog with TN” emblem, machine embroidered in White Thread – & worn on the Left lower Sleeve. No evidence that a separate ‘Silver Bullion’ Tradition Badge for Officers, has been found, in a review of period documentation.]

    ATTACHMENT: Type 4.2 TeNo Armscheibe – TeNo-POLICE OFFICER Eagle + “In-Wear” ROBERT NOSS Foto

    Posted

    SUMMARY-TeNo Armscheiben-Types 1.0 - 4.0 • POST OTHERS ! ! !

    SEARCH your Collections for other TN Eagle Variants. In the prior Posts, I have attempted to share with you essentially ‘ALL’ of the information that I am currently aware of, concerning these 4 Types of TeNo Armscheiben (& their SubTypes).

    Hopefully, these Postings have shown the Common, as well as some of the seldom seen or ‘previously unknown’ TeNo Armscheiben. In doing so – hopefully, these TeNo LEFT Shoulder Patches will now be much ‘Less of a Mystery’ & much more ‘Understandable’ to Collectors. TR Collecting is a continuous learning process & I look forward to seeing other Examples!

    • PLEASE Post Other Examples & Variations of the various TeNo Armscheiben from your Collections (or from the NET) - for discussion & for learning from them.

    • PLEASE Point Out & Correct Any “Errors / Misstatements” which I have made in my Postings! My intended goal is to present Only Accurate Information & to Learn more about the TN • TeNo. …Txs, Dave/dblmed

    • 2 weeks later...
    Posted

    Foto of the TeNo-Police UNIFORM (1943-1945)

    ATTACHED - is a very special TN Soldbuch, which was recently acquired, for 1944.

    The TN-mann (a WWI Vet) entered the TN on July 17, 1944 in Landesgruppe VIII, Schlesisen. His Soldbuch foto shows him wearing the 'proper Post-June 1, 1943' TeNo-Police Uniform (with the 'SS-Like' matching Collar Tabs & the TN date current Shoulder Boards)

    It's a bit Hard for you to see here, but I can discern a 'Color' Difference between the Black Collar Tabs & the 'inner' Cording of his Shoulder Boards. (Which should be a mid-dark 'Police' Brown color.) PLUS, the foto shows a very NICE shot of his M-43 (?) cap, with the proper cloth Police Eagle, worn by the TeNo-Police, of this time period.

    (I 'pasted' Soldbuch page 2, onto the foto page, so that the date could be seen.)

    His last Soldbuch entry is for May 4. 1945 at "Fest.-Laz. IV B Breslau." (Which I believe stands for the Hospital in Festung (Fortress City) Breslau.)

    This is a nice example which, by Soldbuch entries & by Foto - 'shows' that the TeNo-Police Uniform was both issued & was worn, inside of the 'collapsing' Reich.

    My 'belief' (unconfirmed) - it that this man possessed a special Technical Skill, which was in demand & he was thus "Drafted" by the TeNo. It is also logical to "assume" that he was probably a long-term TeNo member & was Not someone who was chosen at random ... Txs, Dave/dblmed

    Posted (edited)

    PaulBear - ........Great Foto! (As a Dog lover, I thought that you just might snag this Foto!) Yes, the TeNo boys are also wearing the LUFT Flier's Blouse (Fliegerbluse, model 1 or model 2 - can't tell for sure, without seeing the lower front tunic, for the 2 slash pockets or lack of pockets! - But, I'm not a LUFT specialist, so I could easily be overlooking something.) Lots of nice details in your Foto! They wear LUFT sidecaps, but retain their TeNo collar tabs & TeNo shoulder boards. (In some, in LUFT service fotos, they also retained their TeNo Sleeve Triangle Eagle patch also - as is shown on the TN-Mann, on the Right.)

    Paul, Your Foto also gives us 2 special Insights into the TN • TeNo as well:

    a. The Utilization of TeNo-men, by the various branches of the Wehrmacht, and

    b. The Diversity of the AGES of the TeNo-men.

    • UTILIZATION: As your Foto shows, TN men were siphoned off, early on, by the LUFTWAFFE. This was to handle the technical aspects of preparing & maintaining Air Fields; providing Electricity for Search Lights & Landing Lights (as well as for the surrounding FLAK Batteries); etc. - and they did this is virtually 'Every' theater of WWII - the West, inside the Reich, and the Ost & Balkans & Italy! The TN 'attachments' were about everywhere that the LUFT was found. (I have Not been able to confirm N. Africa - Yet!, but there is anectdotal evidence that they were there too.)

    • DIVERSITY of AGES: An accurate appreciation of the TeNo • TN has 'Suffered' from too many prior Authors, who ALL seem to have "Lumped & Niched" the TN as a bunch of 'Old Guys' - - doing ONLY Air Raid work, inside of Germany. In just looking at PaulBear's Foto - there is NOT an Old Man in the bunch! I see 2 very young men & perhaps a pre-middle aged fellow, on the right! (I can't tell the age of the TeNo Dog! :whistle:- but he/she looks pretty 'young' to me also!)

    Yes, the TN was a Key Element in assisting with Air Raid damage & in rescuing the victims - they would be better classified as "Paramedics" at times! But that is only a part of the Big Picture of the many TR activities of the TN. (As has become so much clearer with LJ's "Defending the Reich" and Hugh Taylor's superb Chapter 19, in "German Police, Vol. 2.")

    UNIFORMS: I have never seen a [TeNo] uniform for sale a few side caps. Agreed! The TeNo Uniforms / Tunics are 'rare' items to be found, IMO, also. The 'classic' Navy-Blue / Dunkelblau Tunic is the most 'commonly' found - of a 'scarce-rare' TR Item. I feel that I was just plain lucky, to have acquired my example of one, from an obscure German website, right after it was listed. The 1943 TeNo-Police tunic was purchased directly from a fellow collector, who knew of my interest in the TeNo. 'Stripped' model 1943 TeNo-Police tunics do pop up, but then there is the significant challenge, to properly restore them. Not a quick, or an easy, task.

    Great Foto! ... Txs, Dave/dblmed

    Edited by dblmed
    • 1 month later...
    Posted

    Posting for Camonut -

    TeNo GREEN Armband

    Here is a very nice example of the 'late War' TeNo GREEN Armband.

    Maker Marked by B. & W. (A yet still unknown Maker, who uses a very interesting 'underlining' of the Letters.)

    Camonut...

    Posted

    Posting for Camonut -

    TeNo Woven WHITE Armband

    Camonut also acquired a super example of the 'classic' TeNo Woven WHITE Armband

    Maker Marked by BEVO-WUPPERTAL GES. GESCH. (The least commonly seen of the Makers of this model TN Armband, IMO.)

    [i have no 'proof' - but I believe that the BEVO-WUPPERTAL made TN Armbands were some of the earlier ones, since most later model items

    had the name shortened to just BEVO.]

    The known makers of the Woven "BEVO" Style TeNo Armbands are:

    • ges. gesch. H & F
    • GES. GESCH. G. & W. (Capitalized)
    • BEVO-WUPPERTAL GES. GESCH.

    (It is interesting that B. & W. has not been observed on any examples of this model - Yet!)

    Camonut...

    Posted (edited)

    Hi Paulbear! ... Glad that your TeNo searching & researching is going full blast! You are absolutely correct - Wuppertal was the weaving / cloth center for a great number of the cloth Items of the TR. Maybe H. & F., B. & W., & G. & W. will someday be Identified as well. It is puzzling to me that ALL of the TN Armband Makers used GES. GESCH. - for what 'appears' to be the Same cloth item! A Mystery to me.)

    TeNo - TN ARMBANDS: WHITE & GREEN -

    1) WOVEN "BeVo" Type WHITE Armbands - Actually Paul, I have Not seen one of these 'woven' types, which did Not have a Marker's Marking. (But, I specifically search out these MM 'woven' ones - & I could have well missed a 'Non Marked' example.) My observation is that the 'woven' type TN Armbands are made of Linen, or a Linen blend of cloth. (Perhaps, this lends better to the weaving process?)

    2) Printed Type TeNo WHITE Armbands - these seem to have been printed in a process similar to 'silk screening' - and, to my observations, are made exclusively of Cotton cloth. (The printed type has been 'Reproduced' - so you have to check them closely, and arrive at a conclusion which satisfies the Collector.)

    3) GREEN Type TeNo Armbands - seem to be found in 2 basic configurations:

    A. Those With a TN Side Cap eagle sewn on the Right side. (Sometimes referred to as the Führer Type. But this is an unconfirmed nomenclature!)

    B. Those Without a TN Side Cap eagle sewn on the Right side.

    The TN Eagle Patch - The TN Triangle Eagle Patch is only (thus far) the smaller mid-shade blue type, with a shorter & fatter body / chest / neck. It is marked Ges. Gesch. [More speculation is that this particular TN Triangle patch is the 'last' version, since it's seen on the 'late war' Green TN Armbands.]

    Font & Thread Colors - The Font Type & Style of the Lettering / Weaving of TECHNISCHE NOTHILFE - is the same on all of the GREEN TN Armband types. The Color of the Thread used has been found in 3 Colors, as:

    WHITE - OFF WHITE - & YELLOW (Yellow was new to me - & 1st seen be me in "POL, Vol 2."

    Regs. & Fotos - TeNo 'Regs.' for the GREEN Armband are yet to be found, so we are going on a lot of Collector Observations & Speculations! We don't even have a FOTO of them in wear! (To my knowledge.)

    Hopefully a Dated Foto of the TN GREEN Armband will surface! or - The "Regs." for its use will be found in some archives.

    Ortsgruppe Stamping - I've seen an OG Stamping on both of the WHITE Types, but not yet on the Green models. (Could well exist - I just haven't seen one!) OG Stamps are very important & very useful in the ID of TeNo OG's - of which we might not have been previously aware! !

    ATTACHED - the 2 basic TeNo • TN GREEN Armband configurations, for comparison:

    (One with WHITE Thread & the other with OFF WHITE Thread used.) .......... Best, ...Dave/dblmed

    Edited by dblmed
    Posted

    Hello ,

    While looking through my collection of Draeger-hefte magazines I came across this picture of a TeNo man in uniform , I hope you like it ! The man's name is Erich Hampe and there is a half page story that goes with this picture , if you like I can e-mail you the entire page . Due to the size limitations of this web site you cannot read it very well when I shrink it down to allowed size .

    Best Regards ,

    Joe

    Posted (edited)

    Thanks JOE (!) This is absolutely a Wonderful foto of Erich Hampe, from your collection of the Draeger-Helfte!

    Hampe was among the 'original' core of men who formed the original TeNo • TN, in 1919 (along with the founder, Otto Lumitzsch.) Hampe was the founder of, and editor, of "DIE RÄDER" – the 2 x / month Zeitschrift (Magazine) of the TeNo.

    Erich Hampe was a singularly important member of the Technische Nothilfe leadership! He was the long-term #2 man in the TN (Stellvertretender Chef der TN), serving under Lummitzsch, until mid 1934 (when Lummitzsch was forced to resign, because of the NSDAP 'racial laws' - as his wife was ½ Jewish), and then Hampe served under Hans Weinreich (SS Gruppenführer & Chef der TN), until May, 20 1941.

    Hampe's connection with Draeger (a Gas Mask & Rescue Equipment Maker), may have come from Hampe's well received early book "Der Mensch und die Gase, Einführung in die Gaskunde und Anleitung zum Gasschutz," (Humans / Men and the gases, introduction to the gas client and guidance to the gas protection) (i.e. dangers of a Gas War!) – published in 1932 & distributed to all TeNo units. (The SHD and the later Luftschutz / Luftschutz Polizei, would also use Hampe's booklet as a reference.)

    What is quite exceptional about Joe's foto of Erich Hampe, is that the foto was taken of Hampe wearing the TN Uniform of the pre-1936 TeNo ranking changes! The 1936 change resulted in the wearing of two (2) shoulder boards, of a different construction, than the prior one (1) shoulder board! [Page 439 of "Police, Vol. 2" shows a foto of Hampe wearing the 2 shoulder boards.] Even though the Draeger article was published in 1940, the foto which they used was of the pre-1936 TN Uniform ranking changes. Nice!

    Also, Joe's foto gives us a really good view of the Collar Patches / Collar Tabs, which were worn by only 2 TN Officers – Chef und Stellv. Chef der TN! These are some quite ultra-rare insignia, with Gold color COG & details (even including the piping) & having 12 laurel leaf designs. (One can not help but wonder where ANY of these very few examples might be today?) …Txs JOE! …Dave/dblmed

    ATTACHMENT: TN-Rank-Tab for Chef und Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe

    Edited by dblmed
    Posted (edited)

    Erich Hampe was known as an innovative thinker throughout his career. He is credited with developing the concept of the TeNo 'mobile response' units – Bereischaftdienst Mot., using specially designed vehicles for the purpose.

    It has been reported that Hampe led the TN Einsatzgruppen in the Western campaigns of 1940 (& believe this to be correct, although I don't have the documented 'proof' of it – Yet!) The extreme value of the wide ranges of technical services performed by the TN Einsatzgruppen / Einsatztruppen was recognized by the OKH, as the TN units freed up duties normally performed by the Army Pioneers. The OKH set about incorporating whole TN Einsatzgruppen into Heer units, in mid 1941, & named as the Technischen Truppen. (Additionally, a number of TN Units were taken into the Polizei at about the same time & performed similar purposes. The LUFT had previously taken in a number of TN men, for technical services, and they would expand this use of TN units, after Barbarossa.)

    The TeNo-to-HEER transition was recognized by a special TN patch, authorization in Jan, 1942, for wear by former TN Members, & to be worn on the right shoulder of the Heer uniform. (No special designation for the TeNo-to-LUFT transition has been identified.) [see "Pol., Vol. 2" page 578 for the TeNo-to-HEER patch.]

    Based upon the above, it is not surprising at all - that the HEER chose Erich Hampe to lead the TeNo-in-HEER units, as the General Die Technischen Truppen, a post which he held until the end of the war. Little is still known about all of the uses & actions of the Technischen Truppen, except that they were almost 'everywhere' that the Heer was found – including even inside of the Reich, & including work in Dresden in February, 1945.

    After WWII, the now retired General Erich Hampe wrote the book, "Die unbekannte Armee : d. Techn. Truppen im 2. Weltkrieg" (The "Unknown Army:" The Technical Troops in WWII.) … Dave/dblmed

    Edited by dblmed
    Posted (edited)

    Erich Hampe's long service career did not end with WWII. He was not allowed to remain in a quiet retirement for very long.

    He was designated by the new W. German Bundesrepublik, to become the first President of the Federal Agency for Civilian Air Defense

    (Präsidenten d. Bundesanst. für Zivilen Luftschutz), during the early part of the Cold War years. Hampe brought forward the hard lessons

    which had been learned in WWII, into the new era for W. Germany's preparedness.

    For his outstanding post war services, Erich Hampe was awarded the Grand Cross (grossen Verienstkreuzes) of the Bundesrepublik by

    Bundesminister Dr. Schroeder, one of the highest honors. Erich Hampe passed away in 1978. … Dave/dblmed

    Attachment: Hampe's GRAND Cross + Dr. Schroeder - Foto

    Edited by dblmed
    Posted

    once again great follow up info Dave. One point you bring up is TENO complicity in the eastern Einsatzgruppen this disturbs me very much as it is the first I have ever heard of this possibility

    PAUL

    Posted

    Hi Paul, .............Meaning of: "Einsatz" - as applied to the TeNo.

    The word "beim Einsatz" - is translated as "in USE or in Special Use" - & it doesn't tell us what that

    "USE" was, until we look in further context of it. (It does not imply a sinister purpose, fortunately!)

    The terms of TeNo • TN "Einsatzgruppe" or "Einsatztruppen" or "Einsatzabteilung" referred to the

    'special USE' of the Skilled TN Men - for the Technical Uses, which the TN was designed to perform.

    (As far as is known, the TeNo has NOT been implicated in, and was NOT a part of the Polizei Einsatzgruppen

    or SS Einsatzgruppen, who were involved in the extermination programs in the Ost.)

    I believe that before the term "TENO Einsatzgruppe or Einsatztruppen" was used, the Special Purpose

    TN Groups were referred to as TN Kommandos.

    This was the certainly the case for the use of TN 'Special Groups' - TN Kommandos, in:

    • The repatriation of the Saar in 1935, and • In the Austrian 'Occupation' - and in the • Occupation of the

    Sudatenland, in 1938, initially in • Poland, in 1939....

    The TN Kommandos Term seems to have also been used in this context of this July, 1940, Magazine Article -

    referring to the work being done by the TN, following the Invasion im Westen - as in:

    "TN Kommandos beim Einsatz"

    Of interest, is that the TN men are shown (from LEFT to RIGHT, Clockwise Direction):

    a) Restoration of an Electrical Power Station / Electrical Grid.

    b) Removal of Debris + Bridge Rebuilding

    c) Removal of Debris + Bridge Rebuilding

    d) Restoration of Drinking Water & the Water Supply

    e) Removal of Debris + Bridge Rebuilding

    f) Diving - for Salvage, Repair, and Restoration of Use of Vital Waterways.

    Since the TN was used "beim Einsatz" - it seems then, that the word, "Einsatztruppen" would naturally follow,

    later on, in references to the "in Special USE" of the TN Units, for these purposes.

    ATTACHED: TN-Kommandos-im-Westen beim Einsatz July, 1940.............. Txs, Dave/dblmed

    Posted (edited)

    Hello ,

    More from Erich Hampe . This is a magazine called DIE WOCHE , hefte 11 , March 14 1931 .

    You got to love the German Luftschutz graphic art works !

    Best Regards ,

    Joe

    Edited by joetauchretter
    Posted (edited)

    Hi JOE (!) ... More Great Info!

    Your collection of Luftschutz related magazines is simply Amazing! The cover of DIE WOCHE , hefte 11 , March 14 1931,

    certainly graphically points out the fears that the German popularion had, of potential dangers of future 'Gas Warfare' .

    (& we need to remember that this was in 1931, when Erich Hampe was stressing future preparedness, via the TeNo -

    The TN was the primary Organization, which taught about & used Gas Masks - & functioned in a combination Civil Defense

    & a Paramedic role. The TeNo was trained & equipped to respond to any type of Katastrophe / Catastrophe.)

    Below are 2 Postcards by the Artist, Dobrich-Steglitz, who did many series for the TeNo & which were published by the

    TeNo HQ in Berlin. These PC's picture the TN Bereitschaftdienst men, responding to Emergencies (& wearing Gas Masks.)

    The upper left PC is 'probably' pre-1936, but I am unable to reliably date it. The lower PC is 'pre-1936' - as the TN Men &

    TN Officer, are wearing the TN 'Sleeve Diamond' - which was changed to the familiar TN Eagle Triangle patch, as a result of

    the 1936 ranking & insignia changes. (However, TN men continued this type of work / responding - until the end of WWII.)

    JOE, as a knowledgeable Luftschutz / Draeger collector, you may be able to tell us more about the Types of Gas Masks used

    by the TeNo men, in each of the 2 Postcards? ... Best, Dave/dblmed

    Edited by dblmed

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