Soviet Soviet & Eastern Block Quiz

[Christian Zulus]

Germany vs. France

Gentlemen,

if I added right, then the score German cultural circle vs. French cultural circle is now 42 : 39 for the German side.

Best regards

Christian

BTW: France (France, Canada (french part) and Romania) & Germany (Austria, Germany and Netherlands).

Again, a few stats :

This small game has now been launched more than 21 months ago now (on 1 Nov. 2005), and since :

* 133 questions asked,

* with 1,575 answers,

* This quiz has been viewed more than 16,570 times.

* 33 Members of the Forum played, and 26 correctly answered at least 1 question :

Nb of good answers :

* 24 : Christian (Zulus)

* 23 : Christophe

* 11 : Bryan (Soviet)

* 8 : Simon (Red Threat)

* 7 : Franck (Knarf)

* 6 : Belaruski and Jim (JimZ)

* 5 : Auke (Ferdinand), Carol I and Ed (Haynes).

* 4 : Wild Card.

* 3 : Andreas (Alfred), Ivan (Piramida) and Kim (Kimj).

* 2 : Chuck (in Oregon), Gerd (Becker), Jan (vatjan) and Order of Victory.

* 1 : Dan (Hauptman), Darrell, Daredevil, Dave (Navy FCO), Dudeman, Filip (Drugo), Rick (Stogieman) and Steen (Ammentorp).

This is a great achievement. Thanks to all for your participation.

Now, let's continue to have fun with the 134th question... Bryan's one!!!

Ch.

[Bryan]

Ok so it's my turn now.

#1 In which industry were these pictures made? (Name and city)

#2 Which orders did this industry received?

#3 Which kind of cars were made in this industry?

#4 What is the emblem from this car and why they choose that one?

Bonus: Who made those pictures?

[Christian Zulus]

GAZ - Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod (imeni V.M.Molotova (before 1956)), Gorky

Dear Bryan,

seems to be at GAZ in Gorky , where they still produce the new (& good looking) "Volga" and a great SUV:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ

The first pic seems to be a "Chaika" ("Sea Gull") prototype, the most luxurious car-series in the CCCP.

During the GPW they produced mainly trucks for the front and after the war also some good cars. They started the full production in 1932 based on US-technology from the Ford Motor Comp.

GAZ received following orders:

- 2x Lenin (1941 & 1971)

- RB (1944)

- OPW 1cl (1945)

The emblem of the first car is a sea gull, because it's the name of the car .

The photographs are in the typical style of an Alexeander Rodchenko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Rodchenko .

Best regards

Christian

Edited July 17, 2007 by Christian Zulus

[Bryan]

We have a winner!

I guess I didn't ask my question properly, because at the qeustion #3, I was looking as an answer for the famous Volga that was made at the GAZ factory. However, I have shown pictures of the "Chaika".

Christian, you just made an error on the bonus question. These pictures were made by Evgeny Khaldei.

http://fotosoyuz.ru/ru/catalog/&frnepu...ntvat_pheCntr=2

Edited July 17, 2007 by Soviet

[Christian Zulus]

VICTORY #25

We have a winner!

I guess I didn't ask my question properly, because at the qeustion #3, I was looking as an answer for the famous Volga that was made at the GAZ factory. However, I have shown pictures of the "Chaika".

Christian, you just made an error on the bonus question. These pictures were made by Evgeny Khaldei.

Dear Bryan,

many thanks for your congratulations .

Well, I scored victory #25 at Christophe's quiz - the first, who achieved that number .

Due to the fact, that I am the proud owner of an original Khaldei-photograph, it's really a shame, that I made that error .

But it's true: Rodchenko's angels at his industrial pictures are far more extrem, than in Khaldei's more "classical" frames .

Due to the fact, that it's my #25-jubilee, the coming question will be very easy and pure phaleristic - no Soviet-Navy or Jewish Generals .

Best regards

Christian

Edited July 17, 2007 by Christian Zulus

[Christian Zulus]

Question # 135

"Order of Glory" - artistic & phaleristic history

Gentlemen,

everyone has at least a 3rd class of that order in his private collection and some of the great citations are well known .

As with many Soviet orders or medals, also the "Glory" had it's prototypes or quasi-prototypes. In our case, all the prototypes had been designed by the same outstanding - and well known - Soviet artist:

First, there had been a prototype of a Soviet military medal, which looked almost identical to the "Order of Glory" (except the ribbon!).

Then we had a more or less authentic prototype of the order - already with the "correct" ribbon.

Now the questions :

1) Who designed the "Order of Glory" and the two prototypes?

2) What was the name of the medal (quasi-prototype) and how did the award look like?

3) What was the name of the prototype of the "Order of Glory" and how did he look like?

4) Who invented the name "Order of Glory"?

O.K., questions 1) & 4) should be very easy, but the winner is, who is the first to answer all 4 questions.

Best regards

Christian

Edited July 17, 2007 by Christian Zulus

[Ferdinand]

1) Who designed the "Order of Glory" and the two prototypes?

2) What was the name of the medal (quasi-prototype) and how did the award look like?

3) What was the name of the prototype of the "Order of Glory" and how did he look like?

4) Who invented the name "Order of Glory"?

1) N.I. Moskalyov.

2) Medal for the Defeat of the Germans near Moscow. It was star-shaped and showed the Spassky tower with a wreath around it and rays on the five star tips. It had a grey ribbon with two red stripes in the center.

3) Order of Bagration. It looked exactly like the Order of Glory but had Bagration depicted in the center with the words "Pyotr Bagration" around it.

4) Stalin.

Auke

[Christian Zulus]

New winner

1) N.I. Moskalyov.

2) Medal for the Defeat of the Germans near Moscow. It was star-shaped and showed the Spassky tower with a wreath around it and rays on the five star tips. It had a grey ribbon with two red stripes in the center.

3) Order of Bagration. It looked exactly like the Order of Glory but had Bagration depicted in the center with the words "Pyotr Bagration" around it.

4) Stalin.

Auke

Dear Auke,

congratulations - 4 perfect answers .

It's your turn now .

Best regards

Christian

[Ferdinand]

I think you also read Durov's Russian and Soviet Military Awards

A new question:

The post of Minister of War of the USSR (actually first Peoples Commissar of Military Affairs, later Peoples Commissar of Defense of the USSR, later Minister of the Armed Forces of the USSR, later Minister of War of the USSR) was occupied by by 15 men in total between November 1917 and August 1991. Eleven of them held the (final) rank of Marshal of the Soviet Union. What were the names of the other four?

Good luck,

Auke

[Knarf]

Hallo, I think we are looking for the following gentlemen :

Mr. Stalin

Mr.Frunze

Mr.Trotzky

Mr.Shaposnikov who was Chief Marshall of Aviation and not Marshall of the SU

Bach to work before somebody can see what I am doing.

Frank

[Ferdinand]

Almost correct! Stalin was a Generalissimus, and Frunze and Trotsky were civilians (or lower officers, I don't know). Shaposhnikov however was a Marshal of the Soviet Union, and not a War Minister. So I need one more name...

[Christian Zulus]

Almost correct! Stalin was a Generalissimus, and Frunze and Trotsky were civilians (or lower officers, I don't know). Shaposhnikov however was a Marshal of the Soviet Union, and not a War Minister. So I need one more name...

Dear Auke,

sorry ... , but Frank is right: Shaposhnikov - not the famous one, but the last minister of defence in the very late CCCP - had only the rank of a Marshal of Aviation and not of the CCCP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Shaposhnikov .

Best regards

Christian

[Ferdinand]

Frank, Christian, you're right, which means that there are five War Ministers who weren't MSU. I'm looking for the first one.

My apologies

Auke

[Knarf]

hello,

perhaps the fifth is Mr. Podvoisky

regards

Frank

and gone for a sleep

[Ferdinand]

Congratulations Frank, that's the man I was looking for.

For those of you who can read Russian, have a look at this nice site:

http://www.admhmao.ru/VK/Index/mo2-200.htm

Over to Frank!

Auke

[Knarf]

Hello,

Here is one of the easy questions. Cannot always use Wicky sometimes have to use my brain.

It's technologies, relatively simple and widely available, pose the most serious challenge to international control of ballistic missiles in the post cold-war world. Essentially a perfected V-2 (German) rocket, it was developed in the mid-1950s for the Soviet Army and improved to reach its most successful form in the mid-1960s. Unlike the V-2, it can be stored for years. It can be transported fully fuelled and set up and fired in 90 minutes. It has been used in the six regional conflicts since 1973 ... Currently deployed by at least 17 countries, it remains in production in North Korea. Despite its age and accuracy it can be mastered by emerging powers, whether they seek merely to deploy it operationally, to modify its capabilities or to reverse engineer it for local production....'

What is it`s GRAU index?? (not NATO or US code)

The wanted item was stationed at the same place where a Tank Division was stationed ( about 30 km from the Inner German border).

Where was it?

It was one of the most secret areas and there was a direct high frequency communication line to Moscow. The cable was covered with lead to prevent us from listening.

Now the question for specialists:((Not necessarily to be answerd)

How did the Soviets find out wheather somebody manipulated the line.? ( No Wicky only brainwork !)

Good luck

Frank

[Christian Zulus]

SCUD

Dear Frank,

you are speaking about the SCUD-familiy or R-11-family: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scud

The GRAU-index (Главное ракетно-артиллерийское управление МО, ГРАУ) of the SCUDs started with R-11, went on to R-17 and R-300 Elbrus.

But your question's other part had been, where the SCUDs had been located in the DDR ...

Best regards

Christian

Hello,

Here is one of the easy questions. Cannot always use Wicky sometimes have to use my brain.

It's technologies, relatively simple and widely available, pose the most serious challenge to international control of ballistic missiles in the post cold-war world. Essentially a perfected V-2 (German) rocket, it was developed in the mid-1950s for the Soviet Army and improved to reach its most successful form in the mid-1960s. Unlike the V-2, it can be stored for years. It can be transported fully fuelled and set up and fired in 90 minutes. It has been used in the six regional conflicts since 1973 ... Currently deployed by at least 17 countries, it remains in production in North Korea. Despite its age and accuracy it can be mastered by emerging powers, whether they seek merely to deploy it operationally, to modify its capabilities or to reverse engineer it for local production....'

What is it`s GRAU index?? (not NATO or US code)

The wanted item was stationed at the same place where a Tank Division was stationed ( about 30 km from the Inner German border).

Where was it?

It was one of the most secret areas and there was a direct high frequency communication line to Moscow. The cable was covered with lead to prevent us from listening.

Now the question for specialists:((Not necessarily to be answerd)

How did the Soviets find out wheather somebody manipulated the line.? ( No Wicky only brainwork !)

Good luck

Frank

Edited July 20, 2007 by Christian Zulus

[Christophe]

Good round of questions during my one week absence for travels... Congrats to all!!!!

Frank,

I think the missile is the SS-1c, known usually as Scud-B. The system is also known as R-17 Aerofan. Its GRAU Index : 8K14

The base : I think it is the East German base of Weissenfels (not far from Leipzig).

Am I wrong ?

Cheers.

Ch.

[Christophe]

Hi Christian,

Funny... We answered at the same time...

Cheers.

Ch.

[Christophe]

If it is not Weissenfels, I think the other base is Jena-Forst (also not far from Leipzig).

Ch.

[Christian Zulus]

Hi Christian,

Funny... We answered at the same time...

Cheers.

Ch.

Dear Christophe,

I had been faster, but I did a mistake with the GRAU-index .

So it seems, that you are in the lead .

Best regards

Christian

[Christophe]

Our fate is in Frank's hands...

Ch.

[Christian Zulus]

RSD-10 (SS-20) at Karlsfeld close to Wittenberg / Lutherstadt ?

Dear Frank,

next try :

What about the top-secret Soviet missile location in Karlsfeld close to Wittenberg / Lutherstadt?

There should have been RDS-10, NATO-name: SS-20, located ...

GRAU-index: 15Zh45 or 15Zh53 (modern variant with 3 MIRVs since 1980)

Best regards

Christian

Edited July 20, 2007 by Christian Zulus

[Knarf]

hello,

Scud - B is correct

8K14 is correct

The place is not correct. There was a tank division at the same place. ( the place was the most western location of ballistic missiles ) about 30 Km from the border. It was top secret and we did not know much about it.

Regards

Frank

( I will be back in about 4 hrs and look forward for the correct answer)

[Christophe]

Thanks, Frank .

I'm on the right way... Just need to scratch my head to find the right location...

Cheers.

Ch.