Bryan Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Well Christian, this is more than a complete answer. Herzlichen Dank f?r deine Antwort! Is it possible that the Khrushchev picture is reversed?
Bryan Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 "Medal of Merit in Teaching and Education USSR" ("Medal Sa saslugi w obutschenije i wospitanije CCCR")Hehehe, German transliteration.I will pass on this time and let somebody else answer.
Christian Zulus Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) Is it possible that the Khrushchev picture is reversed?Dear Soviet,many thanks for your congratulations .Yes, I also think, that the picture is reversed, but in 1942/43 the officers where still rather "free" in how to present their orders and medals, I think. Specially Khrushchev was always "over-correct" and so I think, that the picture should be the other way round.It is also interesting at your picture of the four friends, that we see 3 high-ranking Party-Dudes and only one (1) real and authentic general around the map planning the great counter-offensive. The want to show us the important role of the Communist Party in the GPW .Sorry for my German-English transliteration of the new question . Anybody else, who as an idea about the answer of my new question?Best regardsChristian Edited December 1, 2006 by Christian Zulus
Wild Card Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) Gentlemen,I also thought that the picture was reversed; but if you check it against the picture in post #623, you will notice that all tunics are buttoned left over right. So I am inclined to think that the picture is a correct illustration of that short period when the new regulations regarding the wearing of decorations was not yet sorted out? Refer to the Red Bible, page 86, where we see Rokossovsky wearing his first type Suvorov on the left side.Regards,Wild Card Edited December 1, 2006 by Wild Card
Christian Zulus Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 NEW QUESTIONGentlemen,again a very easy question, to make the process faster :What do we see at the front of SU-Medal: "Medal of Merit in Teaching and Education USSR" ("Medal Sa saslugi w obutschenije i wospitanije CCCR")??????Please describe what you see in a few words - thanks Second, very small additional, question:What is the more familiar name among collectors for this prestigious (and rare) Soviet State-Medal?Best regards ChristianBTW: It is a very nice, small and beautiful medal in silver.
Christophe Posted December 10, 2006 Author Posted December 10, 2006 OK, let's srart...Are we talking about this medal (Medal "People's Teacher of the USSR") ? Or am I wrong ? Ch.Pic : Collectrussia.
Christian Zulus Posted December 10, 2006 Posted December 10, 2006 Sorry Christophe,it is not this medal .The medal in question is about the same size, also round, also the same hanger, but it is made of genuine silver (not german silver) and the ribbon has two small yellow stripes at the border. You can see a (rather) famous person at the av. of the medal .The market value of the medal in question is also a bit higher, than the "People's Teacher of the USSR".Best regards ChristianBTW: The person at the av. of the medal had some relationship to comrade Lenin ...
Bryan Posted December 11, 2006 Posted December 11, 2006 You can see a (rather) famous person at the av. of the medal .BTW: The person at the av. of the medal had some relationship to comrade Lenin ...Comrade Stalin?
Christian Zulus Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 Female Person at the medalComrade Stalin?Sorry Soviet, it is not comrade Stalin - it is a female person, which is at the av. of the medal Best regards Christian
Christophe Posted December 16, 2006 Author Posted December 16, 2006 So, we can imagine this medals depicts Nadejda Krupskaia... But, I have to say I'm not able to answer the other parts of the question...Any other try to answer Christian's one?Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 KRUPSKAYA-MEDALDear Christope,congratulations, you are right .It is the so-called "Krupskaya-Medal" - rather rare and rather unknown.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadezhda_Kons...novna_KrupskayaHere is the entry of this medal in Dr. Herfurth's booklet (4th edition):So it is your turn, Christophe .Best regardsChristianSo, we can imagine this medals depicts Nadejda Krupskaia... But, I have to say I'm not able to answer the other parts of the question...Any other try to answer Christian's one?Ch.
Christophe Posted December 16, 2006 Author Posted December 16, 2006 But Christian, what was the ansewer to your additional question : "What is the more familiar name among collectors for this prestigious (and rare) Soviet State-Medal?" ?Ch.BTW, I'm furious against myself, as I used several time this book this afternoon, without even seeing its pages 156 and 157... where the medal is shown!!!
Christian Zulus Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 (edited) "What is the more familiar name among collectors for this prestigious (and rare) Soviet State-Medal?"Dear Christophe,simply "Krupskaya-Medal" - nothing more .BTW: I have never seen such a medal at the market - have you any idea about the market value? The medal looks nice and the design is good.Best regards Christian Edited December 16, 2006 by Christian Zulus
Christophe Posted December 16, 2006 Author Posted December 16, 2006 I have never seen myself such a medal. The only clue I have about its market value (but nothing scientific here) is that Herfurt in 2004, in his book, gave it the same value (plus 10%) than the one I posted earlier (the "People's Teacher of the USSR"). This could give a market value around $800-850 for the Krupskaya-Medal... But, again, here nothing exact. Pure supposition...Ch.
Christophe Posted December 16, 2006 Author Posted December 16, 2006 Here are a few pics and infos about this Krupskaya Medal :http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=745Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 Soviet Prize-Medals as super-bargains?Dear Christophe,many thanks for the link I also think, that this - USD 800,- to 850,- - would be the present price range. I have in my collection the medal "Meritorious Pilot of the CCCP" (no s/n. and with the rv. ident with the picture in the right corner at p. 134 in Herfurth's booklet) and this - also extremly rare - medal sells at the present for the same money.It is rather strange, that the ultra-rare state-prize-medals have such a moderate market value . Except the Stalin-Prize-Medals, which cost several times more, but are still - in relation to rarity & historical importance - completly underrated in their value.Maybe the Prize-Medals are to rare to gain adequate market prices ?So, do you have a new question for us ?Best regardsChristian
Christophe Posted December 16, 2006 Author Posted December 16, 2006 Soviet Prize-Medals as super-bargains?(...)It is rather strange, that the ultra-rare state-prize-medals have such a moderate market value . Except the Stalin-Prize-Medals, which cost several times more, but are still - in relation to rarity & historical importance - completly underrated in their value.Maybe the Prize-Medals are to rare to gain adequate market prices ?So, do you have a new question for us ?Best regardsChristianChristian,I agree with your points. Specifically when you think they are so difficult to find...For the question : let me think about it... Cheers.Ch.
Ed_Haynes Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 While the whole range of "prize" medals are badly unappreciated, they are also hurt by the pro-military bias that exists within phaleristics. While killing Hitlerites is (surely) a worthy act, so is teaching little children?A lovely medal, Christian!
Christian Zulus Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 While the whole range of "prize" medals are badly unappreciated, they are also hurt by the pro-military bias that exists within phaleristics. While killing Hitlerites is (surely) a worthy act, so is teaching little children?A lovely medal, Christian!Dear Ed,wise words - you are exactly right .Such groups like that http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=12161 would be great pieces of human history, if the group would contain the torne out photographs, include the big HSL-award-document, the medal "People's Physician of the CCCP" and the prize-medal shown on the photograph (Lenin-Prize ?). The asked price would be o.k., if the booklets wouldn't be mutilated and the big document included. Igor notes about the group: "The recipient, Galina Safronenko, was Chief Gynecologist of the Kherson Region of the Ukraine. She is still remembered there as an extraordinary doctor who had saved many lives. The citation in his Hero's certificates reads "for outstanding achievements in safeguarding health of Soviet people". Another point is, that the collectors argue, that Labour Awards can't be researched. But if someone manages to get access to the archives of the (former) Supreme Soviet, than everything might be possible. There have to be records about confering Labour Awards.Best regardsChristian
order_of_victory Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 Talking about historical Merit of Stalin Prizes look at this one:http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=11539Awsome historical piece Order of Victory
Christian Zulus Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 Talking about historical Merit of Stalin Prizes look at this one:http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=11539Awsome historical piece Order of VictoryDear "Order of Victory",great set, for at great artist!It would be even greater, if it would be from the early 1940s with the ORGINAL signature in blue ink of comrade Stalin and with the filled in entry of issuing date in the small ID-booklet .But the price, Igor asks for his Stalin-1cl-set, is moderate - taking the rarity and historical weight into consideration.Best regards Christian
order_of_victory Posted December 16, 2006 Posted December 16, 2006 Dear "Order of Victory",great set, for at great artist!It would be even greater, if it would be from the early 1940s with the ORGINAL signature in blue ink of comrade Stalin and with the filled in entry of issuing date in the small ID-booklet .But the price, Igor asks for his Stalin-1cl-set, is moderate - taking the rarity and historical weight into consideration.Best regards ChristianChristian,Unfortunatly you cant have everything I agree its well worth the money, if only I had the money BTW Igor has a third class doc with Comrades Jo's signature on for 3450 usd Order of Victory
Christophe Posted December 25, 2006 Author Posted December 25, 2006 (edited) On this Christmas Day, I will make my question an easy one... A gift... Where is this very nice Order of Victory located ?1. City and complete name of the location ?2. Name of the room ?3. When has it been possible for the public to see this specific Order for the 1st time ?The first member who gives the correct answer to all 3 questions is the winner!!!! Good luck!!Cheers.Ch. Edited December 25, 2006 by Christophe
Christophe Posted December 27, 2006 Author Posted December 27, 2006 No try for this nice christmas gift ?Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 Well, I think, that "Victory" is rather hughe and located in one of the recently built/finished memorial-locations in the Russian Federation.I think, that "Victory" had been already presented at GMIC .Best regardsChristianNo try for this nice christmas gift ?Ch.
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