Christian Zulus Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Listing of question #116 in your summaryDear Christophe,please list my last question #116 under:- capture (or battle) of Vienna- Lt.-General Nikolay Ivanovich Biryukov- Vice-Admiral Georgi Nikititch KholostyakovMany thanks Best regards Christian
Christophe Posted May 23, 2007 Author Posted May 23, 2007 (...)We are speaking about pure Soviet Orders and not about Republican Orders ?Best regards ChristianHi Christian,Good point. I don't know what is a "pure" Soviet Order... But, one of the orders involved has been instituted as a "Republican" one, but still awarded, adapted and "continued" under the USSR era (1922-1991). Cheers.Ch.
Christophe Posted May 23, 2007 Author Posted May 23, 2007 Listing of question #116 in your summaryDear Christophe,please list my last question #116 under: (...)ChristianThanks Christian.Will update the list soon.Cheers.Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 (edited) Good point. I don't know what is a "pure" Soviet Order... But, one of the orders involved has been instituted as a "Republican" one, but still awarded, adapted and "continued" under the USSR era (1922-1991). Dear Christophe,many thanks for the clarification .So, we have to match the list with the Republican #1 recipients with the Soviet #1 recipients .The second comrade in question has to be a not soooo young and not soooo famous Soviet comrade.He kept his Republican #1 and did not change him to an Soviet # XXXX ?Is there a good website - like Andrew's Mondvor-site - of the Republicans out in the www?I assume, that it has to be one of the many RBs of the early Republics.Best regards ChristianBTW: I think the winner should be, who finds the second comrade in question - much more difficult, than the finding of Marshal Zhukov . Edited May 23, 2007 by Christian Zulus
Christian Zulus Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 (edited) Vasily Blyukher - Russian RB & Red Star: Both #1Dear Christophe,it seems the comrade in question has to be Blyukher (Bl?cher) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blyukher , who got:- RB of the RF #1 at the 30th of september 1918- RS #1 at the 13th of may 1930Best regards Christian Edited May 23, 2007 by Christian Zulus
Ferdinand Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Gentlemen,The Order of Victory isn't serial numbered.Auke
Christophe Posted May 23, 2007 Author Posted May 23, 2007 Vasily Blyukher - Russian RB & Red Star: Both #1Dear Christophe,it seems the comrade in question has to be Blyukher (Bl?cher) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blyukher , who got:- RB of the RF #1 at the 30th of september 1918- RS #1 at the 13th of may 1930Best regards ChristianChristian,Congratulations for your new victory!!!! You are the winner!!!! It is very impressive the same hero of the Civil War got the two SN 001 orders of such prestigious awards.Bravo, Christian. Your turn, now. Cheers.Ch.
Christophe Posted May 23, 2007 Author Posted May 23, 2007 Gentlemen,The Order of Victory isn't serial numbered.Auke Hi Auke,You're totally correct.It is agreed that the first Order of Victory awarded has been to Marshal of the Soviet Union Zhukov, on 10 April 1944. Alexsander Vasilevsky, Marshal of the Soviet Union, also got his first Order of Victory on the same day.Cheers.Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Gentlemen,The Order of Victory isn't serial numbered.Auke Dear Auke,that's true, but the s/n. is on the award document .And Zhukov's document shows a big #1 .Might be, that some of the "Victories" have painted s/n. on their rv. ?Best regards Christian
Ed_Haynes Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Has anyone ever seen a good image of a Victory reverse? Most of the images out there (some/many/most stolen) are from the Eisenhower Victory, and every image I have ever seen has the screwplate attached, obscuring number (or not).
Christian Zulus Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Dear Christophe,many thanks for your congratulations .I tried hard, because you are getting very close to my score .Best regards ChristianChristian,Congratulations for your new victory!!!! You are the winner!!!! It is very impressive the same hero of the Civil War got the two SN 001 orders of such prestigious awards.Bravo, Christian. Your turn, now. Cheers.Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 New question #118 Soviet high-end awards of the GPW: Who got different classes of them during the GPW ?Gentlemen,let's stay at (pure ) Soviet Orders of the GPW.Let's focus at the Orders of Suvorov, Uzhakov, Kutuzov and Nakhimov.They had 3 to 2 classes for different ranks in the army or fleet.Some brilliant commanders promoted very, very fast through the ranks during the GPW.The question is:Show me at least one general/admiral, who had 2 different classes of the same - above mentioned - order at the end of the GPW at his chest ?i.e.: Kutuzov 2cl & 3cl or Nakhimov 1cl & 2cl or Suvorov 1cl & 2cl ..... The winner is, who can first present one of these generals/admirals. I hope, that's a nice & easy question ....Best regards Christian
Ferdinand Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Ivan Ilyich Lyudnikov. He was promoted Major-General on 27 January 1943. He was awarded the Order of Suvorov 2nd (once) and 1st Class (three times!).
Ferdinand Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 And this is Lyudnikov, a hero of the Battle of Stalingrad. A new question will come tomorrow afternoon.
Christophe Posted May 23, 2007 Author Posted May 23, 2007 (...)And Zhukov's document shows a big #1 .(...)Hi Christian,Please, could you post a pic of this document. As far as I remember; I think I have never seen it (or I would have to dig in my pics taken here and there in Museums... ).Thanks in advance.Cheers.Ch.
Christophe Posted May 23, 2007 Author Posted May 23, 2007 And this is Lyudnikov, a hero of the Battle of Stalingrad. A new question will come tomorrow afternoon.Congrats to Auke .Good and quick answer...Christian, Arrrrghhhhhh!!!!! It was for me an easy one, as Sergey Shishkov & Mikhail Muzalevsky's book (2000 edition) list many of them... It's not today that I will upscore...Cheers. Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 (edited) Dear Auke,congratulations to your very, very fast victory .Many thanks for presenting a general with 4 Suvorovs to us .Dear Christophe,sorry .... , another score for the "German-Language-Group" .With Yakov Kreiser - post #695 at your quiz - there had been already one general with a Suvorov 1cl & 2cl (I mentioned that in my postings) ...Best regards ChristianBTW: Auke needed only 9 (nine) minutes to post the correct answer.Congrats to Auke .Good and quick answer...Christian, Arrrrghhhhhh!!!!! It was for me an easy one, as Sergey Shishkov & Mikhail Muzalevsky's book (2000 edition) list many of them... It's not today that I will upscore...Cheers. Ch. Edited May 23, 2007 by Christian Zulus
Christian Zulus Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Dear Christophe,sorry .... , I also have no scans of Zhukov's first "Victory"-document .But the s/n. HAS to be quoted at the document ...Best regards ChristianHi Christian,Please, could you post a pic of this document. As far as I remember; I think I have never seen it (or I would have to dig in my pics taken here and there in Museums... ).Thanks in advance.Cheers.Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Has anyone ever seen a good image of a Victory reverse? Most of the images out there (some/many/most stolen) are from the Eisenhower Victory, and every image I have ever seen has the screwplate attached, obscuring number (or not).Dear Ed,that's an important point .I have also never seen an - authentic - Victory without the screwplate on .Best regards Christian
Ferdinand Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 BTW: Auke needed only 9 (nine) minutes to post the correct answer.And that's including typing, am I holding the record? And a new question (shouldn't be too difficult):I am a famous Soviet general. At the start of the GPW I was a Colonel and a tank division commander. In 11 months time I was, amongst others, awarded the Kutuzov 2nd and 1st Classes, two Suvorov 1st Classes and a Khmelnitsky 1st Class. In the spring of 1944 I was already a Colonel-General. Within a year after this date I also became a two times HSU. Who am I?
Christophe Posted May 24, 2007 Author Posted May 24, 2007 Has anyone ever seen a good image of a Victory reverse? Most of the images out there (some/many/most stolen) are from the Eisenhower Victory, and every image I have ever seen has the screwplate attached, obscuring number (or not).Ed,Here is one with the screwplate.Cheers.Ch.Pic : www.soviet-awards.com
Christophe Posted May 24, 2007 Author Posted May 24, 2007 And, now, one without.Cheers.Ch.Pic : www.soviet-awards.com
Ed_Haynes Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 Yes, that is Eisenhower's. From their collection. Which, apparently, That Forum has the unmitigated gall to assert is under their copyright!!! Someone needs to sue their pretentious bandwidth off! This would go to six digits (US$) in damages in intellectual property court. (Shall see if I still have ex-students at the Eisenhower Museum. I know I have an ex-student in a major intellectual property firm. Time for introductions.)
Christophe Posted May 24, 2007 Author Posted May 24, 2007 Dear Christophe,sorry .... , I also have no scans of Zhukov's first "Victory"-document .But the s/n. HAS to be quoted at the document ...Best regards ChristianI have a pic of Marshal Fedor Tolbukhin's award card including his Order of Victory, awarded on 26 April 1945. No SN is indicated... Cheers.Ch.
Christophe Posted May 24, 2007 Author Posted May 24, 2007 And that's including typing, am I holding the record? (...)Auke,I'll check. But if you are not the holder of the record... you certainly are not far from it.... Cheers.Ch.
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