Kev in Deva Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hallo Gents, just picked this up at the local Hobby Club meeting this evening,it shows a group 7 men on horseback, numbers 1,2,4, are wearing a unit cross(?)Any opinions welcome.Kevin in Deva. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 Close-up of number 2 horseman.Kevin in Deva. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Assume they're not Soviets, but unrepentant "whites" perhaps collaborating with the Hitlerites if this is WWII-era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 You're off about 20 years. The blurry close up is a cross commemorating internment in a refugee camp 1920-21 for members of General Wrangel's army evacuated from the Crimea in 1920. These bear designations with 1920 on the top arm, 1921 on the bottom, and the name of the camp across the middle:Gallipoli, Lemnos, Bizerta etc.So dates circa 1923 or so I'd say from the youth of the men. Will move to the Imperial Russian section since this is an aftermath of the Civil War subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2008/post-950-1224272456.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2008/post-950-1224272672.jpgRider 1 close-up and Rider 4.Hallo Ed and Ricky, many thanks for your response, I will post a picture of the rearof the card tomorrow as its written in red penciland wont photograph under house lights, so I will try natural light.Its addressed to a location, in the town of Arad, Western RomaniaInterestingly there is also a lead penciled notation to: "Geoagiu de jos Baile,Villa Dublesiu, Judet: Hunedoara," (which is a spa bath not far from Deva where I live,)and there are 3 stamps, one partially removed and one of which depicts the Romanian King Carol II.The postmark date is unreadable to my eyes.This card was being tossed around the room at the Hobby Club, when I arrived this evening,some guy was looking to sell a stack of postcards for drink money, it caught my eye and I decided to take it.Ricky, can you post an example of the crosses you mentioned??Kevin in Deva. :beer: Edited October 17, 2008 by Kev in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Though badly out of focus, I think the first biggest one you posted is "Lemnos."Page of them here from ? P. Pashkov's "The White Armies' Orders & Badges in the Civil War 1917-1922" English translation of 1983:I was able to xerox the Russian language one of 1961 but that's in worse shape to scan a copy from since it is older than most of our readers. The Allies INSISTED that the men be re-settled in host countries AS UNITS rather than individually, which I would have thought (in addition to simply being bizarre) was politically and militarily dangerous, for those uncertain times. I knew a survivor of the 1919 "Ice March" (lost all his toes, which fascinated me as a yout' never having seen frostbite amputations before or since) who was resettled in what was then "Jugoslavia," where he ended up with the Chetniks in the Second War.These are not technically "unit badges" since they are of a place and not specific units. The ones made while still in internment were quite crude, whereas ones made in places like Paris in the "affluent" late 1920s were made in silver and enamel. They fall into every material in between, since the wearer had to buy his own-- wherever he ended up.One thing is certain-- no pretender would have gotten away with having CLAIMED to have been entitled to one as long as the real veterans were around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 Hallo Ricky, thanks for the scan, interesting items, and additional info.I attach pictures of the back, perhaps Carol I could translate.Cropped close ups to follow.Kevin in Deva. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 Message.Penciled location.Stamps.Kevin in Deva. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 Main Address:-Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Well, the recipient is in HUNGARIAN, the upper message is in that and GERMAN (mixed) , and the lower message is in ROMANIAN.Unfortunately the blurred wrinkled grease pencil defies any clear reading of the only one of those I can read-- but the next to last line is "zu Gutern" in German script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I attach pictures of the back, perhaps Carol I could translate.As Rick has said, only the writing in black pencil is in Romanian, and that is an address. I presume it was that of the sender.Geoagiu de Jos (Lower Geoagiu)Băile (Spas)Villa Dubleşiu (Dubleşiu Villa, Dubleşiu being most likely the name of the owner of the house)Jud. Hunedoara (Hunedoara County) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 Many thanks, I know the area well, as I pass through it regularly on the way to Almasu Mic, via Balshato my country Villa Kevin in Deva. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitze Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Here`s apicture of a Russian book about the Civil War Decorations, which I once owned.Can`t read anything greetings eitze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitze Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 And the second page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossack Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Just in case anyone looks back at this, the photo is of some Cossack 'djigits' or trick-riders. The badges are Lemnos crosses as most of the cossacks (particularly Kuban) were dumped there after the Civil War. The djigit groups were very popular between the wars & enabled many of the cossacks to get gainful employment. I hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted May 29, 2011 Author Share Posted May 29, 2011 Hi cossack, many thanks for the up-date. Kevin in Deva. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 IMG_2235ABC.jpgIMG_2235ABCD.jpg I'm late to the game but I'd like to offer a different interpretation of these photos. The regional hat (I have several), the distinctive and traditional choka (tunic) and the kindjal all suggest Georgian to me. Georgia wasn't conquered until 1921 so 1920s works, maybe late '20s. A trick rider group of escaped/resettled/whatever Whites isn't impossible, I suppose (see Buffalo Bill), but that seems sacrilegious to me and I tend to doubt it. Nice find. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) This is russian cossack with (most likely) "Lemnos" cross (post #2). Just in case anyone looks back at this, the photo is of some Cossack 'djigits' or trick-riders ...The djigit groups were very popular between the wars & enabled many of the cossacks to get gainful employment. Every cossack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossacks can be (with proper training) a dzhigit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhigit The regional hat (I have several), the distinctive and traditional choka (tunic) and the kindjal all suggest Georgian to me. Chuck, these are typical elements of cossack uniform http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,3704.0.html Cheers, Nick Edited August 5, 2013 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajkaca Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 one action photo from the Kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes (after 1929 Kingdom of Yugoslavia), where apx 20.000 Russians found their new home, with big support of King Alexander I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajkaca Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 General Wrangel in Serbia with his men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 one action photo from the Kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes (after 1929 Kingdom of Yugoslavia), where apx 20.000 Russians found their new home, with big support of King Alexander I Dzigitovka.jpg Thank you. I stand corrected and better informed. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajkaca Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 another photo of General Wrangel in Serbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Exellent photo of Lemnos badge cavalier back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PREM Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Commemorative Gallipoli Cross of General Wrangel's army from my collection ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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