scottplen Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 thinking about this one it not sure of it what do you think????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 back seems too new! sorry for bad scans best i can do!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Perfect. Great trio. Can count on one hand the number of times I've seen a BRONZE Prussian General Decoration Medal in a MILITARY group.Best of all...I happen to have the Meiningen "SMM" Rolls sitting right here. Now I am NOT going to type out 23,000 COMBATANT ones for privates ... but at some point I may just go through and sort out the NON-COMBATANT minority for typing up.The fact that it is zink places it in the last 18 months of the war-- which will narrow things down further. A single ID is unlikely, but the VERY small numbers involved... One of these years... one of these years.... :catjava: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 OK, trapped inside by freakish wind chill and the 3rd straight day of ZERO melting since the last "global warming" ice storm... I started on the "SMM-NK" roll. As those of you privileged to own the triple Ernestine Duchies WW1 award rolls tome will know from the SMK rolls of combatant versus noncombatant, there are remarkably fewer "NK" than "K." Since half of all awarded seem to have been handed out in 1915, accurate statistics are hardly possible yet since I am still in June 1915.But of the first 112 awards I could type before today's daylight faded, 75 were military (10 of those to SAXON Inf Rgt 133 members) and 47 were to civilians. 2 of the "NK" ribbons to military personnel and 1 to a civilian were later exchanged for "K" combatant ribbons-- apparently a year at the front was required. 932 combatant ribboned ones were handed out during the same period so running 9:1 combatant:noncombatant so far.Three Naughty Persons had theirs taken away for crimes and misbehaviour, tch tch. SooooANY Meiningen noncombatant ribboned award is a good find. While yuckier looking, the zinks are MUCH scarcer than the lovely chocolate bronzes since those were handed out so generously in the early war years it was tough finding anybody who didn't already have one by war's end. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I really like these little unassuming medal bars. :jumping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Very interesting, and like Rick says, not common with the late PAE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Modern FAKE bar, as Scott yet assumed. Please, take a look at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 What is your reason or reasons for saying this is fake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 I had bid on it but something told me to back out ???? I was not sure of it ???so i let i go ! there are getting better and better at fakes!!!! :violent: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 "something told me to back out ????"Really?Wasn't ME. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I hate to see PARANOIA rule . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Paranoia? Is that an English term for good eyes? Better pictures, though I have them even bigger... too large for GMIC, unfortunally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 As said, the backing's a modern fabric and the needle system looks quite "evil". Not what I would suspect on an old bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 And the second bar, with exactly the same construction makes it sure, especially if offered at the same time by the same seller.. :violent: Or does anyone here believe I'd pass on a bar with the approx. 60 times awarded Baden Large Golden Merit Medal (19108-1918), if I wasn't very sure it is eCrap... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Gentlemen: quod erat demonstrandum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Quod erat faciendum gratias tibi ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Quod erat faciendum gratias tibi agoTum log to kyaa kahayte hai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Tum log to kyaa kahayte hai?Hindi, right?Ed, I was thanking Sascha for presenting such a convincing example to proof his point. Edited February 3, 2009 by Naxos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Those fakers appear to be getting sneakier by the hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 the backing on that bar is what i did not like !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 All we have to do is being carefull and watch those guys. Good bars still have the "good" look that fake bars never ever will have. Well, at least sometimes... Times might be getting hard, but we're harder. Sorry Ed, thought this little sentence was known. It's the ending of every mathematical proof. I'm quite bad at maths, but could remember at least that "q.e.d.". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Bad news, it seems we have to add another eBay seller to our personal "beware" lists: "ilselebrun" is now offering a third bar of exactly the same style. As Mr. Research wrote yesterday: "Not for my collection." http://cgi.ebay.de/5er-Ordensspange_W0QQit...1QQcmdZViewItemThe other bar offered at the moment may be good, has at least not that backing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Sorry Ed, thought this little sentence was known. It's the ending of every mathematical proof. I'm quite bad at maths, but could remember at least that "q.e.d.". QED I know quite well. It was the other one that threw me, as other languages have long since shoved aside my three years of secondary school Latin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K. Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I have to admit that the fakes are getting better! I would have been mislead by some of these! YIKES!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipnos Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I have to admit that the fakes are getting better! I would have been mislead by some of these! YIKES!!And what do you think about this one...The rear is looking better??ThanksMiguel (The ever confused) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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