Laurence Strong Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 (edited) Not sure if these are fakes, looking for opinionsObverse. Have you seen the "Harp or Lyre" constructed in this design, is this another "cheapskate" and added another gull (lower) upon promotion, or a cottage industry variant? Edited January 31, 2006 by Laurence Strong
Laurence Strong Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 (edited) reverse, all in all it does not look to bad Edited January 31, 2006 by Laurence Strong
Paul R Posted January 31, 2006 Author Posted January 31, 2006 Personally, I would not blow these off as being reproduction. I have seen other tabs here on the GMIC where the owner had his tabs "updated" for a promotion. I dont see anything that would strike me as "bad".If they were for sale at a decent price, I would snatch them up.PaulPS... what is the waffenfarbe on these? Are they a faded flak or are they literally orange?
Gary B Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 Laurence, The Musician tab looks ok to me. I have seen tabs where a gull was added in between 2 other gulls for a promotion, so this to me is not a bad indicator. As a matter of fact I think it is a good indicator that the tab is real. Paul, the tab looks like a Signal musician. Laurence?Gary B
Paul R Posted January 31, 2006 Author Posted January 31, 2006 The red background plays with my eyes (when looking at the tab).
Laurence Strong Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 Hi guys. Thanks I do not feel bad with it either. Don't know what the price will be yet
Laurence Strong Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 I found this on WAF, they are asking about what they might be, Being shown as a set of Metiorlogical tabs
Paul R Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 Looks like they are supposed to be some sort LW admin ranking... perhaps for an overcoat. Interesting.I have never seen anything like them... The aging looks funny though.I thought that meteorological service used the dark green admin tabs. I will have to double check my references!That raises another question... was there a National Meteorlogical Sevice that was independant of the Luftwaffe?
Paul R Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 Slow day at work today so I did a little poking around and came up with...Reichswetterdeinst was established in 1934 and I assume was active until the fall of Berlin in 1945.The Meteorlogical Service of the GDR was established in 1950 and was replaced by the Deutscher Wetterdienst in 1952. The DWD is still the weather authority in Germany today. I will do some more searching to see if the RWD was an independant organization or if it was run by the Luftwaffe.Update... It seems that these guys were a part of the Luftwaffe and wore the uniform of a Beamte.Here is an interesting read, although it is in German... it does answer a few questions... the bottom line is that these tabs remain unknown. I dont believe that they are TR period German. http://www.gyges.dk/RL-6%20Chef%20der%20Luftfahrt.pdf
J Temple-West Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 I have never seen anything like them... I think you have, Paul. Looking through the grime, they look like the same colour as the tabs you were enquiring about in this thread.http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4247
Paul R Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 UPDATE: IAW Uniforms and Insignia of the Luftwaffe Volume 2: 1940-1945 by Brain Davis, Pages 18-24, this insignia in question represents an:LS-Obertruppmeister in the Reichsluftschutzbund(RLB) -National Air Raid Protection Service.Description: Lilac collar patch with three single three point stars... perfect match!One mystery Solved!!!Paul
Paul R Posted February 10, 2006 Author Posted February 10, 2006 Here are some sure fire repros being sold as such on Ebay. The seller sent me this photo. I will request a rear shot!
Peter J Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 I believe these boards qualify for this page. And yes, I know I've photographed them the wrong way KRPeter
Paul R Posted February 14, 2006 Author Posted February 14, 2006 Wow Peter! I have never seen an original set of these... how did you deterimine that these are repro? These are really good!Paul
Laurence Strong Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 Are those the ones that are or were on e-bay?
Peter J Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 I kind of figured these boards would attract some attention. Paul, let's hear what others have say. I'll eventually give you the whole story.Larry, these boards have never resided on E-bay or any other site for that matter.KRPeter
Gary B Posted February 15, 2006 Posted February 15, 2006 Hi, Well those tabs look really good. As I had mentioned before (to Paul in a PM) I recently saw some General officer tabs at a show that looked stunning. The dealer informed me that he had them made in Europe/Germany. I would never have known that they were repro had he not told me that they were. I do not know if they would have glowed under a blacklight.Gary BI kind of figured these boards would attract some attention. Paul, let's hear what others have say. I'll eventually give you the whole story.Larry, these boards have never resided on E-bay or any other site for that matter.KRPeter
Laurence Strong Posted February 15, 2006 Posted February 15, 2006 (edited) Sorry Peter, I miss read the order of the post's. . Are they real? Sure are nice! Edited February 15, 2006 by Laurence Strong
Paul R Posted February 15, 2006 Author Posted February 15, 2006 I will be away until Friday... The suspense will kill me!!!Paul
Peter J Posted February 15, 2006 Posted February 15, 2006 Paul, I understand your frustration, so in all fairness I'll wait until Friday before posting any comments KRPeter
Paul R Posted February 17, 2006 Author Posted February 17, 2006 I am back..... What is the verdict/story?!!?
Peter J Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 Sorry Paul, I hope I didn't spoil your night The original owner of these boards had them made in the mid 50's. I don't know the location of origin, but I suppose it's Germany. The workmanship is excellent, at least to my opinion. Cloth has never been of great interest to me, mainly due to the difficulties to determine originality. These boards surely haven't changed that opinion. Nor I have seen a genuine set of GFM boards, but if you compare these to war time illustrations, you'll notice a couple of anomalies.The lower section of the leaves are positioned with a space to the rest of the wreath, the batons are to small and the eagle has a drop-tail. But like I said, the rest is not bad. Larry, it makes a scary comparison the General boards, shown by you in the other thread.KRPeter
Laurence Strong Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 Hi PeterThey sure are scary.I was just corresponding with Mike from the http://www.themarshalsbaton.com/ and he is uneasy with them so as it's an e-bay sale I will pass. I don't really excpect to own GFM tabs as they were few and far between, but i think with care I should be able to fill out the 2 and 3 gull tabs, sorry about not using the proper rank, just finished a 12hr shift and to lazy to think
Paul R Posted April 2, 2006 Author Posted April 2, 2006 Hi PeterThey sure are scary.I was just corresponding with Mike from the http://www.themarshalsbaton.com/ and he is uneasy with them so as it's an e-bay sale I will pass. I don't really excpect to own GFM tabs as they were few and far between, but i think with care I should be able to fill out the 2 and 3 gull tabs, sorry about not using the proper rank, just finished a 12hr shift and to lazy to think Wow Peter!!! It is a good thing that you were able to get that story! Can you imagine how easily they would have wound up in someone's collection!!!
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