EK 1914 1813 ek2 with envelope

[Eric Stahlhut]

[Eric Stahlhut]

packet is lined with linen/cheesecloth at seams

[Eric Stahlhut]

paper is extremely brittle and delicate...very dessicated

[Eric Stahlhut]

[Eric Stahlhut]

[gregM]

Is the core painted ?

I am thinking a very late piece. It has a 1914 look to it.

[Eric Stahlhut]

yep, core is painted. i'm scared to handle this one too often. it's the maker that is interesting

[VtwinVince]

Very interesting, looks to be an 1830-40 period piece.

[Tim Tezer]

Very interesting, looks to be an 1830-40 period piece.

Hmmm.... maybe more like 1930-1940.

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello folks:

This to me looks like a 1914 EKII core and frame. The core was probably altered on the Crown/"W"/"1914" side. The ribbon also looks like a WWI-era ribbon. The envelope (if not a counterfeit itself) could be for any piece of jewelry.

I would stay away from this one!

Best regards,

"SPM"

[gregM]

Hmmm.... maybe more like 1930-1940.

I would guess somewhere in between. Maybe 1870-1918.

The painted core gives me cause for concern as well as the 1870-1914 style crown.

[Elmar Lang]

Hello,

O would like to try to see the problem in a philological way.

The inscription on the paper has a wrong construction: it should be:

Rosenthal, Juweliere

Friedrich Strasse N?82

Berlin

Or with "Berlin" above the address. Why should the label of a firm start with the city? I'm very suspicious with that paper.

The cross looks late 19th Century, or even later, but a proper answer could be given having the cross in the hands: quite often, a picture isn't enough to judge a piece.

Best wishes,

Elmar Lang

[Stogieman]

Interesting Eric... the ribbon and paper seem to have real (and appropriate) wear for a very early piece. The printing (is it actually printed, or hand-written) seems to have contextual issue; but I have seen addresses from makers like this.

The cross itself doesn't match any of the above and does not look consistent with any 1813 EK2 I have seen/handled from any period.

If it's legit (as that is always possible)... it's a very, very late piece (possibly even 1930+). In which case it wouldn't really match with the paper and/or the ribbon.

If you look at the ribbon itself, the wear is quite consistent of ribbon made 1820-1860... the acid eats away and damages the ribbon color exactly as shown...

Folding pattern and paper is consistent with how these crosses were packaged. At least from what I have seen.

[Kev in Deva]

The only addresses I have come across in reverse, are those of the ex-Communist Bloc

countries, its a style that still exists in Romania,

First the county, town, street, Block, floor, apartment, and then family name.

Kevin in Deva. :beer:

[Motorhead]

I'm late here-sorry! The fat frame......is there a mark on the eye ring? I wouldn't take this one as a "good" '13! For me it looks like a put together.

Micha