pinpon590 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) Hello gentlemen ! Since a very long time, I searched her ! And I have found it (a little bit expensive, but i wanted her !!!) Friedrich-Franz-Alexandra cross... Only 951 awarded during WW1... I've received her today. Weight 31,6g, subtle but nice patina : I think the cross is in silver. No maker mark or silver mark... Good details on the cross. So she's beautifull !! Only one negative fact : the ribbon is a modern one... I will search a hold one (as represented or the second model, who is the same than Mecklembourg 2nd class merit cross, combatant model. If someone can help me?) Enjoy ! :beer: Edited April 9, 2009 by pinpon590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Salut pimpom590, Vraiment splendide. Encore une superbe trouvaille pour ta collection.CdtChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
922F Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Womderful and extremely nice condition! Congratulations!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 Thank you !Close up : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Very nice. You are right, the patina is wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Hm, as far as I know, there are casted copies on the marked. I am not sure, what I have :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 some details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Sorry for pouring water in the wine Kind regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris D Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Only one negative fact : the ribbon is a modern one... I will search a hold one (as represented or the second model, who is the same than Mecklembourg 2nd class merit cross, combatant model. If someone can help me?)HiRegarding the ribbon try http://www.detlev-niemann.de/en/RegardsKris Duzniak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 Sorry for pouring water in the wine Kind regards, Komtur.Hello ! What a nice cross ! With a very fine lettering ! I never see any crosses as this one ! All the cross I've seen (3 or 4, not more...) had the same "poor" lettering as mine...Some example :http://www.sixbid.com/nav.php?p=viewlot&sid=112&lot=5203Semms having the same "poor" lettering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 Close up of the cross : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 And this one I have seen on Militaria-Fundforum.de : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 And an other one, always on Militaria-Fundforum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) So, 3 crosses which seems having the same "poor" (not really poor... but compared with Komtur's cross...) lettering..Question :- Are all these 3 crosses faked / casted ? And mine also ... - Could be some differents quality made ?- Could be some differents makers ?I will try to do some better scans, with a hight resolution tomorrow...All opinions are welcomed ! :cheers: Edited April 9, 2009 by pinpon590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 I have done better scans... :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pinpon590 Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 Last one... :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I am not an expert for these medals, but I was told by an expert for decorations of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, that there are copies. But in general, as far as the pictures can show this, I see typical signs of a minted item (like sharpness of the letters an smooth ground) on one hand and typical signs of a casted item (like round contour of the letters and rough underground) on the other.I?ve seen never two such crosses side by side in original and would like to hear, as pinpon590, other opinions. Kind regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 The crosses where made by the Berliner M?nze. The minting tools are still in the collection of the M?nzkabinett of the Bode-Museum Berlin. I have seen them there and have pictures of the tools, but unfortunately I can not show them because of copyrights.For better comparison I scanned the medal too. The other pictures I showed before where from a digital microscope.IMO the last one from Militaria-Fundforum looks more like a minted then a casted cross.Best regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 Hello !I have seen a jewellers, and we have tested the cross, with a touch stone and silver acid :So, the cross is not silver plated, but solid silver (ca 750-900/1000 : to determine exactly the silver title, I have to pay... So I only have an approximation)So I don't know what I must think about this cross... :speechless: :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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