Bavaria What do you know about Bavarian MVOs and MVKs

[graham]

Thanks spolei.

Last one with a Crown for review. This time a BMVK3XK:

[spolei]

Manufacturer was Deschler.
Swords without the "D" marking, but it doesn't matter. Not all Deschler-swords were marked.

[graham]

spolei,

Once again thanks for your feedback.

[graham]

Another for review, this I believe to be a Leser BMVK1X: -

[spolei]

This looks quite good. Leser 1913 second type.
here three types of the Leser cross (left first, middle second and right third Type)
The third type was also produced with silver guilt medaillons.

Edited August 30, 2019 by spolei

[graham]

spolei,

Thanks again, your comments are much appreciated.

[graham]

This one is a Gebrüder Hemmerle BMVK2X: -

 

My last BMVK, a BMVK3X which I believe to be a Jacob Leser: -

[spolei]

Very nice Hemmerle, production 1914/1915. he third class is the latest version of Leser.

[graham]

spolei,

As always thanks again.

[graham]

IMO the Bavarian MVO's are beautiful awards. This is my Gebrüder Hemmerle BMVO3X:

[waldo]

Servus Graham, 

For all original 3rd classes, the flames must be extra and not cast 
with the cross body. Also with the silver gilt pieces. 

I do not see it exactly in this piece. If the flames were not 

mounted extra, then it is a gold plated 4th grade

regards Walter

Edited September 2, 2019 by waldo

[graham]

Servus Walter(Entschuldigung, mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut),

Looks fixed to the cross arms. Thanks for the information.

[waldo]

Servus Graham,
Your German is probably better than my English :-)

You can see an original on Sascha Wöschler's page in the archive.

Watch out for the flames and the widened edge of the lower cross arm

https://woeschler-orden.de/node/4000

[graham]

Servus Walter,

Ich arbeite noch an meinem Deutsch, ein langer Weg.

Thanks for the link, very helpful.

Regards,

Graham

[graham]

Here is my Weiss & Co. BMVO4X for review:

[waldo]

Nice MVO with real golden medallions.

Everything is alright

 

[graham]

Walter,

Thanks again.

[graham]

This one is my BMVO4XmKr by Weiss & Co.

 

[laurentius]

Dear fellow collectors,

I was finally able to add a nice BMVO4x to my collection. It has sadly been removed from the original medalbar, a naughty Bavarian bar I think, given the folding and the damage to the back of the left arm. I know it was made after 1916, but would any of the more knowledgable collectors be able to help me to determine the maker?

Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius

[waldo]

Servus Laurentius,

Good news, I mean, it's a pre-1917 MVO, with real gold 
medallions. The manufacturer is Weiss and Co., as can 
be seen on the back of the sword. Damage is often 
unavoidable. 

I mean, the lower back crossarm has been fixed before.

Nevertheless, a nice piece. Congratulation 
to the purchase.

Edited October 3, 2019 by waldo

[laurentius]

Dear Waldo,

are you certain? I am not an expert when it comes to Military Merit Order, but I'm fairly certain the centers are not gold, and you can't see the back of the swords in the my pictures, of account of it being sown down on the ribbon. are you perhaps mistaking my cross with the piece from Graham?

Kind regards, Laurentius

[waldo]

You're right, I probably messed up a few pictures. Sorry. 
Nevertheless, your MVO is before 1917. The transition from gold 
to silver plated took place in late 1916. Your MVO is probably an 
early Hemmerle. 

MVOs with silver plated medallion always have a broadened rim on 
the lower cross arm.

The manufacturer would have to be found on the back of the Agraffe, 
where the silver stamp can be found.

A Leser-MVO is eliminated as Leser has another belt thorn in 
medallion,like Weiss and Hemmerle. Also, the agraffe is different 
in a Leser MVO.

I would assign these swords to Hemmerle. It may be that Andreas 
can tell us more about it, he is the MVO specialist

Edited October 4, 2019 by waldo

[waldo]

[spolei]

On 02/10/2019 at 19:10, laurentius said:

Dear fellow collectors,

I was finally able to add a nice BMVO4x to my collection. It has sadly been removed from the original medalbar, a naughty Bavarian bar I think, given the folding and the damage to the back of the left arm. I know it was made after 1916, but would any of the more knowledgable collectors be able to help me to determine the maker?

Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius

Very nice Hemmerle MVO.
The swords are early production. In my collection is also a early Hemmerle marked 980 with this kind of swords.
Can you see the backside of the agraffe, what is it's marking?
 

[laurentius]

Dear Spolei,

thanks for your reply. I fear I won' t be able to show you the back of the agraffe, since the order is sown down tightly. You say that the swords are early Hemmerle. Would I be correct in saying the entire cross is early (pre-1916)?

Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius