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    What do you know about Bavarian MVOs and MVKs


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    This looks quite good. Leser 1913 second type.
    here three types of the Leser cross (left first, middle second and right third Type)
    The third type was also produced with silver guilt medaillons.

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    Servus Graham, 
    For all original 3rd classes, the flames must be extra and not cast 
    with the cross body. Also with the silver gilt pieces. 
    I do not see it exactly in this piece. If the flames were not 
    mounted extra, then it is a gold plated 4th grade
    
     
    regards Walter
    
     
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    Dear fellow collectors,

    I was finally able to add a nice BMVO4x to my collection. It has sadly been removed from the original medalbar, a naughty Bavarian bar I think, given the folding and the damage to the back of the left arm. I know it was made after 1916, but would any of the more knowledgable collectors be able to help me to determine the maker?

    Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius

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    Servus Laurentius,
    
    Good news, I mean, it's a pre-1917 MVO, with real gold 
    medallions. The manufacturer is Weiss and Co., as can 
    be seen on the back of the sword. Damage is often 
    unavoidable. 
    I mean, the lower back crossarm has been fixed before.
    Nevertheless, a nice piece. Congratulation 
    to the purchase.
    
     
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    Dear Waldo,

    are you certain? I am not an expert when it comes to Military Merit Order, but I'm fairly certain the centers are not gold, and you can't see the back of the swords in the my pictures, of account of it being sown down on the ribbon. are you perhaps mistaking my cross with the piece from Graham?

    Kind regards, Laurentius

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    You're right, I probably messed up a few pictures. Sorry. 
    Nevertheless, your MVO is before 1917. The transition from gold 
    to silver plated took place in late 1916. Your MVO is probably an 
    early Hemmerle. 
    
    MVOs with silver plated medallion always have a broadened rim on 
    the lower cross arm.
    The manufacturer would have to be found on the back of the Agraffe, 
    where the silver stamp can be found.
    A Leser-MVO is eliminated as Leser has another belt thorn in 
    medallion,like Weiss and Hemmerle. Also, the agraffe is different 
    in a Leser MVO.
    I would assign these swords to Hemmerle. It may be that Andreas 
    can tell us more about it, he is the MVO specialist
     
     
    
     

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    On 02/10/2019 at 19:10, laurentius said:

    Dear fellow collectors,

    I was finally able to add a nice BMVO4x to my collection. It has sadly been removed from the original medalbar, a naughty Bavarian bar I think, given the folding and the damage to the back of the left arm. I know it was made after 1916, but would any of the more knowledgable collectors be able to help me to determine the maker?

    Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius

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    Very nice Hemmerle MVO.
    The swords are early production. In my collection is also a early Hemmerle marked 980 with this kind of swords.
    Can you see the backside of the agraffe, what is it's marking?
     

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    Dear Spolei,

    thanks for your reply. I fear I won' t be able to show you the back of the agraffe, since the order is sown down tightly. You say that the swords are early Hemmerle. Would I be correct in saying the entire cross is early (pre-1916)?

    Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius

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