CRBeery Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 A new ribbon bar for the collection. I have not been collecting much lately but this was a nice addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Hi, Interresting, but some questions appears : - Why there is no swords on the second and third ribbons ? If those awards were without cross, regulations said that they should be after the iron cross 2nd class, not before. - The second, thrind and fourth ribbons "seems", (no offense) very new compare to others. So do you use black light to see your ribbon bar ? Let us know the result please ! Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Looks like old silk ribbons to me. I like the bar! Missing swords are seen. I agree they are missing here. Last ribbon can be an OK2 - but could as well be a (pre-war?) OV3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Looks like old silk ribbons to me. I like the bar! Missing swords are seen. I agree they are missing here. Last ribbon can be an OK2 - but could as well be a (pre-war?) OV3. Hmmm...this ribbon bar would have us believe either; wartime SA and Civil Merit Orders (and OK?) where the bar maker didn't put on the swords or, a pre-war SA and Civil Order, later earned wartime EK2 and SHO. In the later case, if he was a pre-war officer he didn't receive any other pre-war medals or DA? I would like to see what a black light would reveal. If positive -then we know, but even a negative result would be inconclusive as a period piece. At best, it is an odd construction. @CRBeery -Where did get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnim Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Odd is too nice a word! This sucker is a fake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Fake? Hmmm...the needlework on the back is very tight and looks newish-but that isn't bad IMHO. This is such an unusual and "obscure" bar I doubt it's a fake. LOTS of prewar Saxon officers had no gongs pre 1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) Odd is too nice a word! This sucker is a fake! By what reason, please? Edited September 6, 2011 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Fake? Hmmm...the needlework on the back is very tight and looks newish-but that isn't bad IMHO. This is such an unusual and "obscure" bar I doubt it's a fake. LOTS of prewar Saxon officers had no gongs pre 1914. Yes, I agree the back has tight needlework. Very agreeable, but IMO that alone can not be reason to accept this ribbon bar. This can be replicated by deft hands. My own mother can still make tight stitchs when she has a mind to. I still don't like the combination/ordering. We are to believe that before the war he earned the SA w/o S and Civil Order w/o S. When war broke out he earned the EK2, OK2 and his Saxon homeland awarded him their big order -the SHO, but not the w/S of the SA or Civil Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Claudius, I think you might have missunderstood me. I'm sure he was awarded both the Verdienstorden and the Albrechtsorden with swords, and choose just not to wear them one the ribbon bar. This is not to uncommon, especially on early to mid WW1 bars. And I'm pretty confident this is a mid WW1 bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Claudius, Saxon officers who received higher grade of one order like SV or SA should return the old orders. I have a perfect example. Oberstleutnant Hans Meischner, he received the SA3a in 1896 and the SV3a in 1905. He received during the war the SAOX and he has never received swords to his SV3a. he returned the SA3a and wore only the officer cross with X. I still think, and it's my personnal opinion, that there is problem with this bar. Not only by missing swords but something special disturbs me. I have a bad feeling on it. I agree with Sascha, the back is good ! Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnim Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) By what reason, please? I beleve it to be a fake because the ribbons are too clean and even the back looks like it was made yesterday. The order of the ribbons is right out of the Firma A.D.L.ribbon ribbon chart! Edited September 7, 2011 by Arnim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 The SH3 ribbion is actually dirty, and the ribbons do look like old, good stroraged silk ribbons. As said before, in my opinion, the bar is absolutely good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Claudius, I think you might have missunderstood me. I'm sure he was awarded both the Verdienstorden and the Albrechtsorden with swords, and choose just not to wear them one the ribbon bar. This is not to uncommon, especially on early to mid WW1 bars. And I'm pretty confident this is a mid WW1 bar. @Saschaw; You are right. I did misunderstand you. The fault is mine. Regarding the wartime award with swords, but not wearing them is an important fact. Great to know! @Deruelle; Could you list the awards on his ribbon bar? The picture is a bit blurry for me. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Hi Claudius, Ribbon bar is composed : SH3, EK2, SV3a SDA Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Hi Claudius, Ribbon bar is composed : SH3, EK2, SV3a SDA Christophe Does that EK2 have a device on it? It looks like one of those unofficial mini EKs to denote an EK1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Hi Claudius, You are right on one point, there is a small EK device and no it is not for the EK1. It was a fashion only. I put new image of Meischner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRBeery Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 Gentlemen - When I bought this bar I assumed it was to someone too cheap to buy all of the "extras". The condition and age of all of the ribbons are the same but the St.Henry has some extra dirt on it from some point in the past. I am out again and have not had a chance to black light it. I will say that in my experience it is a good bar that the owner omitted the devices from. @Deruelle - you mention there is something "special" that disturbs you about the bar - can you share that with us? This came from an older collection and it can go back with no problem. I still like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Chet, hope you kept the bar..... been awhile, hope you are well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRBeery Posted May 29, 2012 Author Share Posted May 29, 2012 Rick, It is still here. I take it you like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Hi Chet, I love it and have no problem with it. Combing the archives for pictures of other Sax bars without the swords. Frankly, position only dictates war award, even in the absence of swords. Nice bar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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