JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Type 3.1 box Cover Edited November 9, 2011 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Type 3.1 box Interior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Type 3.2 box Cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Type 3.2 box Same interior as type 3.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Type 4.1 and 4.2 box Covers (balsa or cardboard/with gold or silver kanji) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Type 4.1 and 4.2 box Interior (balsa box) Edited November 9, 2011 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Type 4.1 and 4.2 box Interior (cardboard box) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) It will be interesing to note that type 4 badges in both classes have two variations of enamel colour. Here it is. Edited November 9, 2011 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) I forget about very interesting variation of type 3.1. Here it is. Type 3.1 variation Edited November 9, 2011 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Range of problems As usual happens, new classification solves some old problems and (at the same time) creates a new ones. Let’s hit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Problem № 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Another badge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Another angle of obverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Problem № 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Will be with you folks and will continue after a short break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Again alive and kicking... That is if anybody worried... Concerning last one I have serious doubts Ok. Let's try to sort out this two problems for starters. Problem number one will be simple. Could be formulated like this. "What the heck is that???" I mean what type of the badge is this? Obviously it is badge type 3. This is type 3.1 or type 3.3. But where is all the gold? The badge is brand new!!! Same goes for the box! And there a lot of them out there! Of course a lot is "a lot". Regulation violation? Edited November 9, 2011 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Same absence of regulated gold we observe on type 2.3 (there is no gold on the rim). Only variation 2.1 has something that resembles gold rim (in fact by regulation it shouldn't), but I think it's just patina (take a good look at the reverse - same color pattern). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Problem number two is much more difficult to deal with. This badge was called "eccentric" because he has very unusual anthropometric characteristics. To discuss them allow me to remind you that large shield badge (type 1.1, type 1.2, type 2.1 and type 2.2) should be (according to regulation) width 30,3 mm and height 33,3 mm small shield badge (type 2.3- type 3.4) should be (according to regulation) width 24 mm and height about 27 mm. In practice typical large shield badge usually weights about 17,5 grams and had width about 24,3 mm and height about 28,5 mm. typical small shield badge usually weights about 10,25 grams and had width about 30,5 mm and height about 37,26 mm. So far so good. Nobody is perfect. But this is the characteristics of eccentric badge weight about 2,72 grams, width about 13,5 mm and height about 16,5 mm. What is that??? Miniature? Are you kidding me? Miniature for a badge 24 by 28 mm??? For what? To go blind while trying to figure out what is it? Edited November 9, 2011 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Problem № 3 RARITY Why types 1-3 are so rare? Ok. Type 1.1 and type 1.2 - they got some reasons. The only serious combat operation back in 1914 was capturing Zingtao - german base in China. After the siege japanese losses were Army: 246 killed, 1115 wounded Navy artillery: 11 killed, 32 wounded Navy: 284 killed, 32 wounded So it's quite natural that type 1 quite rare. But why type 2? It covers Siberia expedition and it wasn't all about fun. And an least type 3. It covers everything until 1938. Of course early types of badges were replaced by new ones. No doubt about it. But what happend with the early ones after they were replaced? No answer ... Edited November 9, 2011 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Problem № 4 DOCUMENTS Where are they? I am talking about documents for early types of badges (type 1-3). Does anybody saw them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Fantastic topic! Sorry, I will be of ZERO use here as this is nothing that I collect (yet!) - but fascinating for sure, excellent analytical work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 ... ZERO ... Sounds familiar? Is it? ... excellent analytical work! Thanks mate. But with a lot (even judging by my low standars ) of grammar and spelling mistakes. But I had a really hard day yesterday... First snow in Moscow .... Stuff like that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 ERRATUM In practice typical large shield badge usually weights about 17,5 grams and had width about 24,3 mm and height about 28,5 mm. typical small shield badge usually weights about 10,25 grams and had width about 30,5 mm and height about 37,26 mm. should be read as typical SMALL shield badge usually weights about 17,5 grams and had width about 24,3 mm and height about 28,5 mm. typical LARGE shield badge usually weights about 10,25 grams and had width about 30,5 mm and height about 37,26 mm. Sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 ADDENDUM 1) Sometime you can meet boxes for type 1 and type 2 with dark red-brown interior (not turquoise as was shown). 2) The main difference in inscriptions on the cover of type 3.1 and type 3.2 boxes is upper kanji in the middle column. In case of type 3.1 box cover we observe kanji kou (甲) for "higher', " superior" (i.e. battle wound). In case of type 3.2 box cover we observe kanji otsu (乙) for 'lower" (i.e. public service wound). Right columns on the covers of type 3.1 and 3.2 boxes are identical: 下士以下 stands for "NCO and below" Please note that inscriptions on the type 1.1 and type 2.3 boxes are identical!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Problem № 5 WHERE IS TYPE 3.3 BADGE??? Completely gold gilted badge for officers. I don't see it (or even hear about it). Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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