Graf Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 Hi, I just found pictures of this unusual Sodiers Cross 3-4 Class It has multiparts removable central medalions and the swords are the same as the Officers Class Opinion wanted. Regards Graf
new world Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 I've never seen one like it. Quality is much higher than typical soldier crosses. Perhaps this is privately / jeweler made award?
Graf Posted June 6, 2012 Author Posted June 6, 2012 Hi new world, Yes , it is very likely privately made jeweler made Soldiers Cross One more picture Graf
Theodor Posted June 8, 2012 Posted June 8, 2012 An officer's order which has lost all the enamels, maybe?
Graf Posted June 8, 2012 Author Posted June 8, 2012 Hi, I found more information regarding this Order It is Size 38 x 38 mm W. 14,4 g There are several opinions 1. The very first Prince Alexander Model 1880-1886 of the Soldiers Cross 3-4 th Class Similar cross features in Uwe Bretzendorfer Preiskatalog from 2007 ,however the size given is 35 x 35 mm and it looks finer and it is one piece construction 2. Officer 4-th Class without the ename- either lost or not yet added to the Cross ( the Cross is in a "raw" stage) 3, Soldier Cross 4th Class privately made by jeweler after WW1 period 4. None of the above -Fantasy Order Regards Graf
new world Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 An officer's order which has lost all the enamels, maybe? Unlikely. Officer grade crosses were made from bronze, this cross seems to be made from some sort of white metal.
new world Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 ... 2. Officer 4-th Class without the ename- either lost or not yet added to the Cross ( the Cross is in a "raw" stage) ... Enamel was added to each part separately (red enamel to the cross and center, white to the circle), on both sides and then parts were put together. This cross is already assembled, it would be impossible to add enamels to it now.
new world Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) Another argument agains this one being officer cross - surface on the rays is smooth, while on all officer crosses surface has some sort of texture under red enamel. Edited June 11, 2012 by new world
Graf Posted June 11, 2012 Author Posted June 11, 2012 Hi New World, Your arguments sound quite convincing. I listed all these opinions, which i gathered out of the forum. The most valuable, in my opinion, is No 3 - Soldier Cross 4th Class privately made by jeweller after WW1 period It cannot be Original Awarded one, since the size of them was 34-35 mm This one is 38 mm As I mentioned in Uwe Bretzendorfer Preiskatalog (2007) similar cross is listed on page 12 - Size 35 mm (picture) I do not have Prof Pavlov book, however in none of the other books such cross is mentioned. Graf
new world Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 It looks like it's the same cross as in the book. How does the book describe this cross?
Graf Posted June 12, 2012 Author Posted June 12, 2012 Hi New World 1. The very first Prince Alexander Model 1880-1886 of the Soldiers Cross 3-4 th Class Similar cross features in Uwe Bretzendorfer Preiskatalog from 2007 ,however the size given is 35 x 35 mm and it looks finer and it is one piece construction with smooth arms Does anyone have Prof. Pavlov book. - is similar cross included in the book? Graf
new world Posted June 14, 2012 Posted June 14, 2012 I checked both Pavlov and Petrov books - this cross is not pictured in either one.
Graf Posted June 14, 2012 Author Posted June 14, 2012 HI New World. Then Opinion No3 - Soldier Cross 4th Class privately made by jeweller after WW1 period remains most likely one..........unless proved otherwise Graf
new world Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) I think that's most likely case, private make. Is it for sale? How much? I would definitely buy it, that's unusual award. Edited June 16, 2012 by new world
Graf Posted June 15, 2012 Author Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) HI, Are you prepared to spend $800+ for it ? Graf Edited June 15, 2012 by Graf
new world Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 HI, Are you prepared to spend $800+ for it ? Graf That's more that I wanted to spend on this curiosity. :)
Graf Posted June 16, 2012 Author Posted June 16, 2012 HI, I agree with you I might be wrong. For this amount of money i recently got this nice set in an extremly rare box The box is smaller then the standard ones and it is dark brown not black or green Also it has the maker printed inside. Graf
Deruelle Posted June 17, 2012 Posted June 17, 2012 Oh my god, what a beauty ! Congrats for your new purchase Christophe
new world Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 Very nice and rare set! I especially like miniature.
Graf Posted September 5, 2012 Author Posted September 5, 2012 Dear Members, I managet to obtain an example from this Interesting Soldier's Cross I did not spen a fortune for it . Just luck. The Cross is 38 x 38 mm without the ribbon ring . The ring is marked "925" for silver.The Cross is made of silver The quality is much better then the other Soldiers's crosses, including the 1941 Model (which in my opinion has the best finisn and details) I am listing pictures of the Cross.. Regards Graf
Cartaphilus Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 next to 1941 Model Dear members, do all Crosses of the Order of the Bravery for soldiers awarded during World War II, had the "1941" date under the national coat of arms? Or were also awarded during World War II some crosses that had the date 1915? Thanks for your answers.
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