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    Posted

    Hi,

    I just found pictures of this unusual Sodiers Cross 3-4 Class

    It has multiparts removable central medalions and the swords are the same as the Officers Class

    Opinion wanted.

    Regards

    Graf

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    Posted

    Hi new world,

    Yes ,

    it is very likely privately made jeweler made Soldiers Cross

    One more picture

    Graf

    Posted

    Hi,

    I found more information regarding this Order It is Size 38 x 38 mm W. 14,4 g

    There are several opinions

    1. The very first Prince Alexander Model 1880-1886 of the Soldiers Cross 3-4 th Class Similar cross features in Uwe Bretzendorfer Preiskatalog from 2007 ,however the size given is 35 x 35 mm and it looks finer and it is one piece construction

    2. Officer 4-th Class without the ename- either lost or not yet added to the Cross ( the Cross is in a "raw" stage)

    3, Soldier Cross 4th Class privately made by jeweler after WW1 period

    4. None of the above -Fantasy Order

    Regards

    Graf

    Posted

    An officer's order which has lost all the enamels, maybe?

    Unlikely. Officer grade crosses were made from bronze, this cross seems to be made from some sort of white metal.

    Posted

    ...

    2. Officer 4-th Class without the ename- either lost or not yet added to the Cross ( the Cross is in a "raw" stage)

    ...

    Enamel was added to each part separately (red enamel to the cross and center, white to the circle), on both sides and then parts were put together. This cross is already assembled, it would be impossible to add enamels to it now.

    Posted (edited)

    Another argument agains this one being officer cross - surface on the rays is smooth, while on all officer crosses surface has some sort of texture under red enamel.

    Edited by new world
    Posted

    Hi New World,

    Your arguments sound quite convincing.

    I listed all these opinions, which i gathered out of the forum.

    The most valuable, in my opinion, is No 3 - Soldier Cross 4th Class privately made by jeweller after WW1 period

    It cannot be Original Awarded one, since the size of them was 34-35 mm This one is 38 mm

    As I mentioned in Uwe Bretzendorfer Preiskatalog (2007) similar cross is listed on page 12 - Size 35 mm (picture)

    I do not have Prof Pavlov book, however in none of the other books such cross is mentioned.

    Graf

    Posted

    Hi New World

    1. The very first Prince Alexander Model 1880-1886 of the Soldiers Cross 3-4 th Class Similar cross features in Uwe Bretzendorfer Preiskatalog from 2007 ,however the size given is 35 x 35 mm and it looks finer and it is one piece construction with smooth arms

    Does anyone have Prof. Pavlov book. - is similar cross included in the book?

    Graf

    Posted

    HI New World.

    Then Opinion No3 - Soldier Cross 4th Class privately made by jeweller after WW1 period

    remains most likely one..........unless proved otherwise

    Graf

    Posted (edited)

    I think that's most likely case, private make.

    Is it for sale? How much? I would definitely buy it, that's unusual award.

    Edited by new world
    Posted (edited)

    HI,

    Are you prepared to spend $800+ for it ?

    Graf

    Edited by Graf
    Posted

    HI,

    I agree with you

    I might be wrong.

    For this amount of money i recently got this nice set in an extremly rare box

    The box is smaller then the standard ones and it is dark brown not black or green

    Also it has the maker printed inside.

    Graf

    • 2 months later...
    Posted

    Dear Members,

    I managet to obtain an example from this Interesting Soldier's Cross

    I did not spen a fortune for it . Just luck.

    The Cross is 38 x 38 mm without the ribbon ring .

    The ring is marked "925" for silver.The Cross is made of silver

    The quality is much better then the other Soldiers's crosses, including the 1941 Model (which in my opinion has the best finisn and details)

    I am listing pictures of the Cross..

    Regards

    Graf

    • 1 year later...
    Posted

    next to 1941 Model

    Dear members, do all Crosses of the Order of the Bravery for soldiers awarded during World War II, had the "1941" date under the national coat of arms? Or were also awarded during World War II some crosses that had the date 1915?

    Thanks for your answers.

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