turtle Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 This nice medalbar belonging to a NCO consists of an Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse, Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz, Württembergische Silberne Militärverdienstmedaille, Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer and the Dienstauszeichnung III. Klasse.
turtle Posted January 6, 2013 Author Posted January 6, 2013 I just love the Hanseatenkreuz. In my opinion it´s one of nicest WWI awards also bestowed to EM & NCOs. Unfortunately I don´t have a better camera at hand.
turtle Posted January 6, 2013 Author Posted January 6, 2013 The Württembergische SIlberne Militärverdienstmedaille has a very nice patina.
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Hi, a nice bar! Do you have the documents for it?
turtle Posted January 6, 2013 Author Posted January 6, 2013 Unfortunately not. I just got this medalbar. My theory about the holder is: Hamburg citizen, serving with the navy (hence the prussian long service award) onboard a ship which was somehow connected to the kingdom of Württemberg.
redeagleorder Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 On the other hand, some people say that red backing = army.
turtle Posted January 6, 2013 Author Posted January 6, 2013 On the other hand, some people say that red backing = army. Yes, you´re right, I forgot about that! I just "guestimated" the navy connection.
turtle Posted January 6, 2013 Author Posted January 6, 2013 Thank you for your kind replies! Any other theories about this combination are welcome!
redeagleorder Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Forgot to mention.... very nice medal bar!
Paul R Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 It is a really nice looking bar. Thank you fo sharing it.
IrishGunner Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Nice bar... A neophyte's question: What regulated the order of non-Prussian awards; i.e. why the Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz before the Württembergische Silberne Militärverdienstmedaille? By date awarded? Alphabetical by State? Was there a published order of precedence?
redeagleorder Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Nice bar... A neophyte's question: What regulated the order of non-Prussian awards; i.e. why the Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz before the Württembergische Silberne Militärverdienstmedaille? By date awarded? Alphabetical by State? Was there a published order of precedence? It depended on a lot of things. Sometimes states had their own precedence awards. For example, Mecklenburg-Schwerin regulations were: Prussian war time awards, mecklenburg war time awards, other states wartime awards, etc... Others, like Mecklenburg-Strelitz, had no rules of their own. In this case the person was more likely from hamburg, sunce he mounted the hanseatic cross before the wurttemberg medal.When quite a number of medals are mounted on the same medal bar, precedence of the awards not from prussia and the wearer's state were often worn in order of importance of the state. Therefore, if we have someone from from Hamburg with bavarian and schaumburg-lippe awards, he will usually wear those from Bavaria (second biggest state with own army) in front of those of Schaumburg-Lippe (smallest state with 50000 people). And sometimes there are bars with no particular order which are proven original. One must remember that the wearers were human like us. If they valued a medal more than another, than they would mount it where they wanted and ignore the regulations. An example is the KVK of WW2, which although it could be awarded to civilians it was stipulated that it had to be worn in front of WW1 awards (except the iron cross). A veteran of WW1 with state medals he got for bravery would often ignore this and mount it behind them... As you have said, there are also some cases where they were mounted by dae awarded or even alphabetically! Welcome to the confusing, bizarre yet very rewarding world of medal bar collecting
IrishGunner Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Welcome to the confusing, bizarre yet very rewarding world of medal bar collecting I expected that to be the answer! But had to ask anyway...
turtle Posted January 6, 2013 Author Posted January 6, 2013 Welcome to the confusing, bizarre yet very rewarding world of medal bar collecting I second that!!!!!
Scott Powell Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 EXCELLENT bar! The Hansea Crosses are my favourite as well
turtle Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 Would it somehow be possible to research the holder of this awards?
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I am guessing the combination is not unique enough
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