scottplen Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 I found this bar online . I do not collect bars anymore but thought this was a special one and could be named ?
scottplen Posted January 8, 2014 Author Posted January 8, 2014 I do not own this its on a dealers site
Paul C Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 As Rick used to say, "I don't comment on the possibility of an ID while an item is for sale."
VtwinVince Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 You're right, Scott, that is a nice one. Do you have a link to the dealer?
scottplen Posted January 9, 2014 Author Posted January 9, 2014 Pm sent . I think it could be a high rank guy ?
Dave Danner Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Depends on what you think is high-ranking. All the WW1 orders are nice, but he had a very undistinguished later career.
scottplen Posted January 9, 2014 Author Posted January 9, 2014 Hope its turns out good and hope a forum member gets it
scottplen Posted April 2, 2014 Author Posted April 2, 2014 Glad you got it !!! Hope it turns out to be a winner !!!
Dave Danner Posted April 2, 2014 Posted April 2, 2014 Gutsche, Bernhard Wilhelm Hermann, born 30.9.1892 in Elversburg, Saarbrücken. Entered service on 15.11.10 as a Fahnenjunker in IR 72. 19.6.12 Leutnant mit Pat. v. 17.6.10, 18.12.15 Oberleutnant. He spent most of the war in IR 72, with various commandments, including to IR 153. Wounded on 16.6.15 by Souchez while commanding 7./IR 72. Wounded again on 14.2.16 by Loos. He was taken prisoner by the British by Le Cateau on 23.10.18 while stellv.Fhr. III./IR 72. Back from captivity on 31.12.19, he remained in the army, going to Kraftfahr-Abt. 1 and Div.San.Abt. Hauptmann on 1.4.22. 1.10.26 transferred to San.Abt. 6, and then discharged on 31.1.29 with Charakter as Major. He remained as a civilian employee of the army until 1933, then came back on active duty as an L-Offizier with the rank of Maj.a.D. and an RDA of 1.10.33. Like most L-Offiziere, he became an E-Offizier on 5.3.35 (new RDA of 1.8.33). On 1.12.35, he was transferred to the staff of Wehrersatz Inspektion Münster (Westfalen) as 2. Kfz.-Vormusterungs-Offz. Promoted to Oberstleutnant on 1.8.39 and Oberst on 1.2.42, and like most E-Offiziere, was transferred to the active officer corps in 1941 (in his case on 1.8.41). He spent the entire war as a Gruppenleiter for Kraftfahrwesen on the staff of WEI Münster. As I mentioned, after a lot of frontline service in WW1 (as a Kp.Fhr. and Btls.Fhr. and as a Rgts.Adj.), he had a relatively undistinguished WW2 career. Probably due to age and WW1 wounds, he had no frontline service in WW2, at least until April 1945 when Münster in Westfalen was on the frontlines. EK2 - 16.9.14 EK1 - 10.12.14 EH3bX - 25.11.14 BT4_ - 21.10.16 (his file says BT4a, but Reichswehr RLs only have BT4b; the BT4a is pinback, so you'd need a picture to confirm) HOH3X - 4.9.18 VAs - 22.7.18 FEK - 23.10.34 WHDA1 - 2.10.36 He only added a KVK2X to what is on the medal bar, so probably never bothered to mount it.
scottplen Posted April 2, 2014 Author Posted April 2, 2014 Very cool to put name to it !!! I always favored WW I awards ! neat he was wounded 2x and a POW !
dond Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 He must have been a hard charger. His EKs are from the first 2 months of the war.
lew Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 Superb job Dave! Only hope I can do the same one day. Many thanks
Ulsterman Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 Dave nailed it totally. I am awed. I can only add he was transferred to Krftfhr Abt. 1 in Koenigsburg in late 1920 and granted the right to wear his old regimental uniform at the same time.
Ulsterman Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 (edited) also, Lt. Hedler left a rather harrowing account of the battle against the English at Polderhoef where Gutsche was mentioned as meeting with the few survivors of the MGK after it was overrun and captured. He was also a member of the Stahlhelm and good friends with major Ferdinand Sinhuber, who died in 1929. he apparently was a pall bearer at his funeral. Edited April 3, 2014 by Ulsterman
lew Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 Thanks for the additional info Ulsterman I guess it will take a lot of time and luck to find a period photo of our guy...
Ulsterman Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 Maybe not, I think I have IR 72 in the attic somewhere.......to do a Rick...in 1931 he was also characterized as a Major a. D. And lived Stausen Str. 37 in Muenster W..
Ulsterman Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 by the way, any chance his subordinate, Lt. Doering, was a relative of Don?
lew Posted April 3, 2014 Posted April 3, 2014 Ulsterman, can you help to look it up when you have time? And if not making any trouble. Thanks.
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