The Prussian Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) I want to show this wonderful photo of GL v. Knoerzer and (probably) his staff of the 7.Ldw.Div. Please note, that he wears the Abzeichen für das militärische Gefolge König Wilhelms II v. Württemberg Here is the names list: I. Unten stehend (von links nach rechts) Hauptmann Gutbier, Kriegsberichterstatter Kriegsgerichtsrat Bunz Hauptmann Edelmann, 1. Generalstabsoffizier Leutnant Gallion, Nachrichtenoffizier S.Exz. Generalleutnant von Knoerzer Rittmeister Jobst, Adjutant (Fhr. der II.Abtlg.) Hauptmann Peters, 2.Generalstabsoffizier Hauptmann Spaeth, Kommandant des Stabsquartiers Rittmeister Hofmann, Führer der BagageII. Auf der Treppe stehend Rittmeister v. Zeschau, 1.Ordonnanzoffizier Rittmeister Freiherr v. Waechter, Geschützoffizier Oberstabsarzt Dr. Hocheisen, Div.Arzt Assessor Rud, Div. Intendant Edited February 8, 2014 by The Prussian
arb Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Andy, That's a great photograph. I believe it shows the staff of the 54. Reserve Division. Hptm. Edlemann was the 1. Gen. St. offiz. of that division from Jan 1916-Jul 1917. Looking at the Württemberg awards lists, he, Dr. Hocheisen, and saxon Rittm. v. Zeschau all received awards while assigned to that division. Also, v. Knoerzer was its commander from Jan 16 to Jul 1917. Andy
The Prussian Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 Hi Andy! You are right with your infos, but the 54.RD always used to be at the western front. If I look at the house, it seems to be eastern architecture, but that´s just a guess...
Paul C Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 There are two sign posts in the bacground maybe they could help with determining the location.
The Prussian Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) No, Paul. Unfortunately not. The right sign one only can read "Pferde..." And on the left is readable: "Mit Ausnahme von Meldungen beim Div.Stab(?) Erledigungen aller Edited February 8, 2014 by The Prussian
The Prussian Posted February 9, 2014 Author Posted February 9, 2014 Hi ccj! Thanks for the photo. There too, as a General he wears the Abzeichen für das militärische Gefolge König Wilhelms II v. Württemberg . Who was allowed to wear it? How many people wore it in that period? I couldn´t find any informations
Glenn J Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 Andy, Nimmergut gives a total of 35 awards between 1897 and 1913 in recognition of service with the military suite of König Wilhelm II. He had served as a Flügeladjutant around 1895-1897. Regards Glenn
The Prussian Posted February 9, 2014 Author Posted February 9, 2014 Hi Glenn! Brilliant! Thanx a lot for that info! So v. Knoerzer recieved that badge sometimes between 1895-1897, right?
Glenn J Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 Andy, presumably in 1897 when it was first awarded? In fact he had been a Flügeladjutant since 24 November 1892. Regards Glenn
The Prussian Posted February 9, 2014 Author Posted February 9, 2014 I think so. I´ll check his vita. Hope I´ll find more
arb Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 Gents, He was a "diensttuender Flügeladjutant" from 24.11.1892-23.02.1895. He remained a Flügeladjutant while a squadron commander in Drag. R. 25 from 23.02.1895-10.09.1897. Andy
The Prussian Posted February 9, 2014 Author Posted February 9, 2014 ah, ok. If it´s first been awarded in 1897, it makes sense, that he would have been recieved it then. In the catalogue of 2008 the award was listed with 4500€! So it´s really a rare photo. I may not say, what I did pay for it...
Mattyboy Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 Hi all, A bit late, but here is another photo of von Knoerzer and his staff. You can view more photos like this by typing 'Der Vormarsch der Flieger Abteilung 27 in der Ukraine' and clicking on the second link from the top. (You can use the zoom function to view the photos at close range whilst still retaining the excellent image quality).
Mattyboy Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 Check out the ribbon-bar on the guy in the front row, 2nd from the left !
The Prussian Posted June 22, 2014 Author Posted June 22, 2014 Oh yeah, great photo Thanx a lot!!! Does anyone know the man with the large medal-bar?
ccj Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 He appears to be a General Staff Hauptmann. It is very interesting that he has so many awards.
The Prussian Posted June 22, 2014 Author Posted June 22, 2014 Hello! The question is: Which staff is it? Karl v. Knoerzer led the 7th Ldw.Div from 26.7.1917 until armistice. The Korps Knoerzer was the staff of the 7th Ldw.Div., led by the staff of the 20th. Ldw.Div. I´ve found some officers of the 7th. Ldw.Div. 24.january 1917: Commander: Gen.Lt.z.D. v. Wencher Chief of staff: Prussian Hauptmann v. Berghes (Ritter des kgl. württembergischen Militär-Verdienstorden, 20.2.1917)* 1. adjutant: Hauptmann Ritter v. Molo 2. adjutant: Hauptmann d.L. Greiß * The were two v,Berghes. Both served in the Hus.Rgt.11, I didn´t find a Hauptmann, but Rittmeister Rittmeister Kurt v. Berghes (last duty: Generalstab den General-Quartiermeisters), later Major a.D. Leutnant Bruno v. Berghes (last duty: Generalstab 216.Inf.Div.), later Rittmeister a.D. Maybe the man on the photo is Kurt?
Mattyboy Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 Hi, Well I believe it dates from spring/summer 1918. The picture was part of a photo-album of Flieger Abteilung 27 during their time in the Ukraine. I think the first two awards on this guy's ribbon are the EK and HHO3X, but I'm a beginner in this field so I could be well off the mark...
ccj Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 You may very well be right. He appears to have at least one Turkish award and am Austrian. As for the general, I've searched for other photos but all I've found show von Knoerzer wearing the same Litewka or Kleiner Rock...looks more Litewka to me.
The Prussian Posted June 23, 2014 Author Posted June 23, 2014 The photo must be taken after january 1917, so you might be right with 1918. The former Feldflieger-Abteilung 62 did change the name into Feldflieger-Abteilung 27 in january 1917. I have found, that the Flieger-Abteilung 27 was under command of the Heeresgruppe Linsingen in march 1918. It changed into Heeresgruppe Eichhorn (Kiew) in april 1918)
Mattyboy Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Hi, Just re-opening this thread because I have found a few more pics of General von Knoerzer online
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