Imperial Order of the Rose

[paul wood]

Either  he was an enormous man or that it is a lovely reduced sized badge.

Thanks for showing Lambert.

Paul

[Great Dane]

The knight versions of this order actually are smaller than normal (25mm diameter is typical).

Many auction houses erroneously list them as "prinzen size" or even as being miniatures.

/Michael

[paul wood]

Thanks for the info Michael, I have seen normal size Knight's badges presumably these are non-officially made pieces.

Paul

[lambert]

hello Paul

Michael is correct. ALL Order Knights are of the same size, different from the order for commanders is "normal" size.  I found some pictures for comparison.

 

Miniature and Knights

 

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[paul wood]

Thanks Lambert, I did see an Austrian made Knight's badge which was 34mm wide, probably made to fit in with the recipient's other orders. But yes you are correct that Brazilian made pieces  appear to be made to the same size specification.

Paul 

[lambert]

Thank Paul.

 

I will show more interesting photos for you to file

Badge and collar Imperial Order of the Rose, Grand Cross  National Maritime Museum

 

D. Pedro II, on his deathbed, Paris, France, 1891. Dressed in the uniform of the army marshal and awarded the Order of the Rose

Paraguayan War "volunteers Patria" (Brazil) with its Order of the Rose, decorated for courage and Campaign Medal.

Cheers

Lambert

[paul wood]

Love the collar never seen one before. I have always felt sorry for Dom Pedro II he seems to have been a thoroughly decent chap who cared for his people but his final reward from them was the order of the boot with oak leaves and diamonds. Nice Paraguay war photo.

Thanks lambert,

Paul

 

 

[lambert]

Hi Paul.

Yes it was a Righteous King, has a little more about it ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_II_of_Brazil

 

 

Dom Pedro Carlos (Pedro IV de jure) de Orleans e Bragança (1970 ?)

Badge and collar Imperial Order of the Rose

Edited October 16, 2015 by lambert

[lambert]

Hello friends.

I will show another ancient image of a using the Rose of the Order and other Orders Imperias Brazilian and Paraguay War Medal.

Baron Teffé

 

Cheers

Lambert

[drclaw]

What a fantastic topic and only one that I've just stumbled across. The Order of the Rose would certainly be one, if not the most, attractive order ever instituted. It's certainly one that I've always wished to add to the collection.

Congratulations Lambert on finally acquiring one. I know this is something you've had your heart set on for a many years!

[lambert]

Hello Gavin ! my friend.

Yes, I keep pretty safe in the special box in my collection. I do not intend to continue collecting (for now) Imperial Order Brazilian or Paraguayan War, but this is one of orders I could not fail to have.

Cheers

Lambert

[lambert]

Major Francisco de Siqueira Cavalcanti.

Major Pedro de Alcântara Tibério Capistrano

1st Row

Order of St. Benedict of Aviz (Brazil)
Medal of Reward for Military Bravery (Brazil)
Medal to the Winners of Del Yatay (Uruguay)
Medal of the Campaign of Paraguay (Brazil).

2nd Row:

Order of Lord Jesus Christ (Brazil)
Medal of the Uruguayan Campaign 1851/1852 or Monte Caseros Medal (Brazil)
Order of the Rose (Brazil)
Plate of Dignitary of the Order of the Rose (Brazil)

Right side: Medal of the Surrender of Uruguaiana (Brazil).

[Yankee]

On 16/10/2015 at 05:22, paul wood said:

Thanks Lambert, I did see an Austrian made Knight's badge which was 34mm wide, probably made to fit in with the recipient's other orders. But yes you are correct that Brazilian made pieces  appear to be made to the same size specification.

Paul 

Hi Paul

The Austrian made Rose have hallmarks or some other indication that led you to put the manufacture as A-H? The reason asking is recently acquired such an example having 34mm of high quality and assumed French origin.  Have you access to that foto still? It never occurred to me that I could have a Rothe or Mayer made one.  Thanks

Brian

[Yankee]

 Nevermind it was it was in the ANS

[Fabrbovi89]

I'm looking for Miniature medals for the Order of the Order. Even replicas. For the moment 10 units. More will come. Anyone can help me ? Thanks 

[Graf]

On 31/05/2015 at 02:47, Hugh said:

I've shown this elsewhere on the forum, but couldn't resist another chance to show off my baby.  I just love this piece.  As you can see, I got it at the OMSA show in Jacksonville, Florida in 2008.  It was outrageously expensive and worth every penny.  I used to travel regularly to Brasil for business, but never saw anything like this.  Any comments on whether this is likely to be an efetivo or onorario or are the insignia the same?

 

BRAZIL – Imperial Order of the Rose (Ordem Imperial da Rosa) – Grand Cross set with sash badge, silver gilt, medallions gold, both sides enameled, roses painted.  Size 48 x 78 mm without ring, two roses on reverse chipped – VF

 

Star – 64 x 84 mm, both exquisite detail.  Sash is faded. 

 

 

You'll see that the dimensions differ from Lambert's data above.  Variant from a different manufacturer, I suppose. Or perhaps it's really a Grao Dignitario. Unfortunately, I didn't look for a maker's mark before framing it.  

Amazing Set Thanks

[922F]

Have about 20 meters of synthetic sash ribbon apparently made in the past 10 years for Da Costa or other makers of modern insignia.  Note ribbon edges [chain stitch not warp/weft].   Anyone wanting to buy some [about 2.5 to 3 meters generally adequate to make a sash] kindly contact me.   

[Graf]

On 16/10/2015 at 03:14, lambert said:

hello Paul

Michael is correct. ALL Order Knights are of the same size, different from the order for commanders is "normal" size.  I found some pictures for comparison.

 

Miniature and Knights

 

more

Amazing