Paul C Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 I am posting this for a friend for you review.
Stogieman Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 I don't see any obvious problems. Looks like my background felt but I don't have this bar in my archive. well, maybe the order is off a bit, but it still looks good to me.
Gerd Becker Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Hi Paul, looks good to me too. Nice Civilian Bar Gerd PS: Hi Rick!
Claudius Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 hmmm..... I don't like the bar construction, the overlapping ribbons from right to left???? Also, could we get a peek behind the Crown Order ribbon at the Red Eagle ribbon? Thanks
Komtur Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Claudius said: ... the overlapping ribbons from right to left???? ... Not as it should be, but sometimes to be seen.
rabaduex Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Thanks to Paul for posting this for me. A recent purchase from the '16 S.O.S described by German dealer as Sanitatsoffiziers Ordensschnalle. The Red Eagle has an N on the lower arm; the Crown Order stamped ZEHN; Prussian Kriegsdenkmunze 1870/71 is non-magnetic (a later private purchase by the veteran from the 1895 era?); steel China Denkmunze. Does this help?
Komtur Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, rabaduex said: ... described by German dealer as Sanitatsoffiziers Ordensschnalle ... That is very unlikely, because it would be the wrong version of the Kriegsdenkmünze 1870/71. The vast majority of the Sanitätsoffiziere got the combattant medal (inscription Dem siegreichen Heere), as determinated for them in the statutes. Only the very few stay-at-home ones received the steel medal with Für Pflichttreue im Kriege on the combattant ribbon.
rabaduex Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Does the wrong medal mounted some fifty years following its issue disqualify the original attribution? Besides that, what else can be gleaned from the remaining medals on this bar?
Komtur Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) On 26.2.2016 at 01:25, rabaduex said: Does the wrong medal mounted some fifty years following its issue disqualify the original attribution? ... No, but as I said, it makes it very unlikely, especially when there is nothing else qualifiying this bar to a Sanitätsoffizier. Edited February 27, 2016 by Komtur
Claudius Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 21 hours ago, Komtur said: Not as it should be, but sometimes to be seen. Great example of this usual bar construction! It must have been a tailor's unique practice to do it this way. It reminds me of how Rick R. would post period photos of bars with the awards ordered contrary to the Regs. 19 hours ago, Komtur said: That is very unlikely, because it would be the wrong version of the Kriegsdenkmünze 1870/71. The vast majority of the Sanitätsoffiziere got the combattant medal (inscription Dem siegreichen Heere), as determinated for them in the statutes. Only the very few stay-at-home ones received the steel medal with Für Pflichttreue im Kriege on the combattant ribbon. Great photo and bar! I can make out the battle bar on the F-P medal as "Gravelotte - St. Privat". I can see the other awards clearly, but does anyone have a guess to #8 and #10?
rabaduex Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 If not as described by the dealer at the S.O.S., what other possibilities are there as to rank and status of the person who wore this medal bar?
dedehansen Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Hi Claudius, #8 is the commemorative medal for 1864 Regards Andreas
Komtur Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, dedehansen said: ... #8 is the commemorative medal for 1864 ... ... (noncombat one). The last one could be the Anhalt 1896 25 jubilee medal. BTW notice the Crown Order 4th class with small crown on black/white ribbon for 1866
Komtur Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 28 minutes ago, rabaduex said: If not as described by the dealer at the S.O.S., what other possibilities are there as to rank and status of the person who wore this medal bar? Difficult. My first feeling was Navy, because of dark blue or black backing and fitting Kriegsdenkmünze 1870/71. In WW1 because of age out of service and Verdienstkreuz für Kriegshilfe for any kind of civil assistance. We are missing Rick . May be Daniel can help.
ixhs Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) As Mr.T said - it`s definitely not a bar of an medic. May be a higher marine rank. I know were it came from. If there would hang an IC non combatant i had bought it. The version of the black wool looks like that the bar was made by Küst or Wilm. It was made in 1917 or later. Edited February 26, 2016 by ixhs
Leutwein Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Hi all, I would suggest a "Marine-Oberstabsingenieur" or something like that. Most of them had the combination of RAO4 and KO4 Best wishes Karsten
Komtur Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 11 minutes ago, Leutwein said: ... I would suggest a "Marine-Oberstabsingenieur" or something like that. Most of them had the combination of RAO4 and KO4 ... Yep! That´s the direction I agree with
rabaduex Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 Many thanks to Komtur, Ixhas, Leutwein and of course Paul C. for assistance in this bar's identity. Bob
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