Ottoman War Medal

[Volovonok]

Gentlemen, 

I am kindly requesting opinions on this Gallipoli Star.  It is well-known fact this award was produced by numerous makers and, therefore, its variations are rife. There are also some number of fakes on the market out there and I would like to verify authenticity of this one. Would you be able to provide your thoughts on this piece?  

It seems to be fine to me: quality enamel, nice patina, non-magnetic (quite likely to be silver), 55 mm, 16.7 g but side opinions are very welcome.

 

[Gerd Becker]

Thats a lovely vaulted original in my opinion. 

[ixhs]

In my o. a bad fake

[Volovonok]

54 minutes ago, ixhs said:

In my o. a bad fake

Would you justify your opinion please? It does not seem a fake to me and I would like to see some arguments if possible.

[paul wood]

It may be the quality of the photo but I do not like the colour of the patination on the reverse, looks artificial but it may be just the photo.

Paul

[Volovonok]

22 minutes ago, paul wood said:

It may be the quality of the photo but I do not like the colour of the patination on the reverse, looks artificial but it may be just the photo.

Paul

I will try to make some extra photos tonight. Patina does not raise any of my concerns and seem quite natural. I say so because I have some experience in applying patinating ointments to the silver.

[ixhs]

You can find them at german Ebay - these pieces are imo fakes. Look at the needle system and the Thugra/numbers.

Edited March 2, 2016 by ixhs

[Volovonok]

I have seen such a great variaty of Gallipoli Stars with various types of tugra, pins, catches, hinges, riverts and even rings by now that I really don't know what I should be able to notice  looking at the needle system and tugra as there is no such thing as the "correct" types of a needle or tugra

Are these medals systematized anywhere so that a collector can rely on the description of the correct types of them?

I posted this medal on a few militaria forums and in each forum were people with pro and contra opinions. The problem is that those who believe the star is a fake provide little or no arguments in support of their opinion. 

[ixhs]

So if you like it - buy it .

[Volovonok]

I already did 

[paul wood]

Demir, A member of this forum has published a book on the Turkish War medal and has good illustrations of all the varieties that he has been able to find, might be worth investing in the book.

Paul

The TURKISH WAR MEDAL - HARP MADALYASI - GALLIPOLI MEDAL - EISERNER HALBMOND

Author: M. Demir ERMAN

Printed: Ankara/Turkey, February 2012
correspondence address: dmrbay@gmail.com

ENGLISH and TURKISH

In English (65 pages) and Turkish (61 pages). There is a 46 pages annex including color pictures, certificates and documents. The medal in the cover is relief. Total 172 pages, app. 350 gr.

CONTENTS
Preface and Acknowledgements 6
Very Brief History of the Ottoman Empire 9
World War I 12
Gallipoli War 13
Palestine, Caucasus and Galicia Battles 16
Independence War and the Republic 17
War Medals of the Ottoman Empire 18
The Regulation of the War Medal dated 1915 21
Amendments on the War Medal Regulation 24
The Effective Dates of the War Medal Regulation
and Amendments 31
Ministry of War and Army Orders About the War Medal 34
Law of the Turkish Grand National Assembly and the
Decree of the Council of Ministers 36
The First Type of the War Medal Which was Designed
According to the Regulation but Never Produced Due to a
Shape and Metal Change 39
The War Medal 41
The War Medal and the German Iron Cross 44
The Certificate of the War Medal 46
The War Medal Ribbon 49
The Package of the War Medal 53
War Medal Miniatures, Ribbon Bars And Pins 55
War Medals of the German and Austrian Make 56
No Name Medals 58
Views on the War Medal 59
SOURCES 62
ANNEX 66

 

[Volovonok]

Thank you very much for this information. I will write Damir right now.

[saschaw]

Somewhat late, admittedly, but I agree with ixhs' and paul wood's concerns: This seems to be one more of the countless fakes that are floating the collector market for more than ten years now. The overall quality isn't suitable for a German or Austrian private purchase type in enamel and possibly real silver, as isn't the enamel itself. Also, the patina is artifically applied - it's well done, as you pointed out, but still it's not naturally grown.

[demir]

On 11/08/2019 at 21:26, saschaw said:

Somewhat late, admittedly, but I agree with ixhs' and paul wood's concerns: This seems to be one more of the countless fakes that are floating the collector market for more than ten years now. The overall quality isn't suitable for a German or Austrian private purchase type in enamel and possibly real silver, as isn't the enamel itself. Also, the patina is artifically applied - it's well done, as you pointed out, but still it's not naturally grown.

I agree with you.

Regards

Demir

[avsaribar]

Yeap , it is fake .