The Prussian Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Hello! Is anyone there to tell me, which huge car we´ve got here? Some people told me, it´s an NAG, some said, it´a Bugatti. I have no idea. Background: It´s number plates are: MK-XIV 88 (Militär-Kraftwagen, XIV.Armee-Korps with number). I can´t recognize the colour of the number-plate. If there are red letters, it´s a car of the "Freiwilligen-Automobil-Corps". Those were private persons, who borrowed their personal cars to the army during the war. Those plates were only used in Germany, not at the front. So this car is registrated in Karlsruhe. I can´t read the flag (something with a "D", a "5" and "Gruppe"). We also see some french prisoners. The one has a 15 at his collar, the other one is a Chasseur d´Alpines. Some german soldiers have collar Litzen (> Kraftfahrer). Maybe someone knows the officer on the back seat. Probably the commander of a prison camp? In the area of the XIV.AK we had four prison camps: Lager Heuberg Lager Mannheim Lager Rastatt Lager Tauberbischofsheim Thanks for helping!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Cracking pic but whoever put that flag in the way needs a slap. I've just been looking at old Bugatti photos and the grills on them don't look as round as that pictured above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Hi Tony! Yes, I haven´t found Bugatti like that. Maybe it´s an NAG, but during that time they only built 4 Cylindre-models.Could this huge one have only 4 pots? Edited August 1, 2016 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasm Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 It's a Delaunay-Belleville. The French Rolls-Royce of it's time. Maybe a 1913 model. Probably why the French are having their photos taken with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, Spasm said: It's a Delaunay-Belleville. The French Rolls-Royce of it's time. Maybe a 1913 model. Probably why the French are having their photos taken with it. Clever clogs A similar model is here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Delaunay-Belleville_1914-1917.JPG A better link http://www.artcurial.com/en/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=2107+++++322+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 Wow! That´s brilliant!!!! Thanky you so much!!! Now there are two questions left... 1) Is that a car taken from the french or a car from the Automobil corps? 2) Who is the officer in the back seat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Hello Certainly the car looks as a Delaunay . czar Nicholas II owed several of these luxury cars . the bodywork of this precise car is special and rather sport looking , that appears to be a car post at disposal by some wealthy owner perhaps the elegant driver .was common . The moustachoed officer is not William II ! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 Hello! Thank you very much for the confirmation! Could you say somethong6to the flag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Hello .Perhaps with a closer view of the flag . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted September 12, 2016 Author Share Posted September 12, 2016 Hello Bayern! You´ll get a very close view, if you click at the photo, then "Full size" and the + on the mag glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Not a kommando flagge neither corps division or brigade , perhaps of the German volunteer automovil corps a militarized automovil club whose chef was prince Henry of Prussia brother of William . the DFAK have uniform ,a grey one with adark red collar . a slouch hat and later a field cap and a side weapon a hirschfanger . all of the drivers were wealthy car owners Prince Henry itself used to drive personally his car during the war . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted September 12, 2016 Author Share Posted September 12, 2016 Well, I think, because we can read something with a "D", a "5" and "Gruppe" and we see some POWs, it must have something to do with a prison camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Hello During the ww1 were in Germany 95 prisoner camps for soldiers and 80 for officers . the depended of Inspektions (in german ) they coincide with the Army corps , so there were one for the Oberkommando der Marken one for the Garde Korps and so on totalling 21 inspektionen apart the bavarian saxon and the wurttembergian each inspection comprising a variable number of camps The references not mention gruppe or numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 That´s right Bayern. Thankjs for your response. I only know the car was registrated in the XIV. Army Corps (Baden) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 The Prussian : The xiv AK was part of the Prussian army the 14 inspektion comprended five Truppen lagern Heuberg Mannheim Rastatt Tauberbischofheim and eight Offiziere lagern Freiburg Heidelberg Karlsruhe Lahr Pforzheim Rastatt Villingen and Vohrenberg . ¡nice job to find in wich camp was the photo made ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 Hello Bayern! I couldn´t find anything according to Gruppe. That would be easier. But I think with that car, the "owner" might be a higher officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Hello Prussian . Its the most probable , or a high official , for example one one of a intendantur o the chief of a camp sometimes these were retired generals too old for the front .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 I agree. Unfortunately I can´t recognize the officer in the backseat of the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) Hello! In the book "Die Rimann´sche Sammlung deutscher Autoflaggen und Kfz-Stander" (by Andreas Herzfeld), is the same photo published. The photo in that book is written with: Sammelgefangenenlager Roedel, Dienstfahrt auf 100PS, 1915 (Collective Prison Camp Roedel, official trip with 100HP, 1915) The flag should be "Fahrzentrale J.K.D. ("Immobiles Kraftwagen-Depot") 5, Gruppe 1 (Driving centre immobile car depot 5, group 1) I couldn´t find a "Roedel", but Generalmajor "Röhrich" was the leader of the prison camp Mannheim! Roedel - Röhrich... sounds similar... maybe the script was so bad, that the correct name couldn´t be read clearly? I haven´t seen the reverse. The reverse of my photo is blank Edited June 28, 2020 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Nice research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Thanks, mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonfelski Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 MK licensce plate is märkischer kreis. but i don't know if they used that system then. It's located i the lower sauerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The Prussian : Well done ,indeed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 On 02/07/2020 at 17:46, sonfelski said: MK licensce plate is märkischer kreis. but i don't know if they used that system then. It's located i the lower sauerland. Hello! No, these plates with the "Town-letters" came up in 1957. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 MK=Militärkraftwagen Abbreviation for those military vehicles used within the confines of the Reich. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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