Freiwillige Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Dear gentlemen, could you please help me to identify decorations on ribbon bars worn by these Stahlhelmbund members? Portrait No.1 - Sta-Bataillonsführer. Two first decorations are obvious: EKII ausg.1914 and Militärverdienstorden (Württemberg). But what about the last one? Edited March 8, 2017 by Freiwillige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 HK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 Sorry, but what decoration do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasm Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Hindenburg Cross? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 It seems that colour scheme as well as width of stripes is different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I am thinking Baltic cross ? last one on this RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 Colour scheme is absolutely different as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Maybe we can come this a different way... Do you know WHO this Sta-Bataillonsführer is? Perhaps we can learn the awards this individual earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 Unfortunately no name is known as well as no additional info on that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 How about some type of wurtemburg veteran medal ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 It could be! Any ideas on the exact medal with matching ribbon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 No sorry I find close to it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 Well, here's a portrait of another Stahlhelm member. No date, no name, unfortunately. Only place where photo was taken is known, it's Magdeburg. Could you please jelp with identifying two last ribbons attached after EKII and Friedrich-August Kreuz 2.Klasse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 third one is Saxe-Meiningen War cross for officiers 4th ? heres pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 Many thanks! I think you're absolutely right! Only the last one is not identified yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyboy Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 That last one looks tough to call, although the colour of the ribbon appears to match his uniform.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 Could it be Prussian Dienstauszeichnung für Offiziere? I suupose there are no vertical stripes on the ribbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Possibly a Landwehr-Dienstauszeichnung. But I don't know how to tell an active officer's uniform from a Reserve or Landwehr, so maybe I am missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thanks for your reply, Dave! Anyway the last ribbon is plain blue/light blue so we have there long service award. Any ideas regarding the last ribbon worn by the Sta-Bataillonsführer from the very first post in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Nothin comes to mind. Maybe one of those unofficial Weimar-era WW1 commemorative medals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Maybe... Unfortunatley I found no matching post-war commemorative / veteran association medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, Dave Danner said: Nothin comes to mind. Maybe one of those unofficial Weimar-era WW1 commemorative medals? 21 minutes ago, Freiwillige said: Maybe... Unfortunatley I found no matching post-war commemorative / veteran association medal Hmmm, a conundrum indeed. I return to my earlier, knee-jerk identification, but will add an additional thought. In the initial portrait photo the 3rd position ribbon looks remarkably like the Hindenburg cross. However it is the close-up photo that there appears to be several vertical lines of different colors. I count as many as 10 or 11. Could the "lines" we are seeing in the close up photo be caused from the Moire Effect? Maybe the process of zooming in on the ribbon bar caused a moire. Freiwillge, could look at the ribbon bar under a hand held magnifying glass? No guarantee that the "effect" isn't set in the celluloid, but maybe something can be learned under optical zoom instead of digital zoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Well, just had a look at the portrait through the magnifying glass, but those vertical stripes are clearly visible. It seems they were really "present" at the original ribbon and are not defect of printing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Re: the Sta. Btlnfhr. I think has the German War Veterans Assiciation badge/medal that Kleitman write about and is/was so often seen in 1933-35. I am on my phone so can not access my photo files-but it has Germania putting a wreath on top of a soldier Victoria-ish. It's sort of teardrop shaped. That's when that photo dates to 1933-35-as the NSDAP insignia has been pinned on as a member of the SA Reserve. After the Roehm Putsch and the subsequent mopping up, the Stahlhelm insignia quickly disappeared and were soon replaced by SA/ NSDAP /NSKOV insignia. Several score of Stahlhelm senior officers were either shot or imprisoned after Roehm. Edited March 14, 2017 by Ulsterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiwillige Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 I see what you mean - you are talking about Deutsche Ehrendenkmünze des Weltkrieges, but that's not the one on portrait... Please compare colour scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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