Imperial medal group help required

[freddy22]

Hi,

Help required ,new here so please be very kind to me.

This medal bar is part of a family group that I have just obtained,the wuttemberg cross has a little damage the cross is swinging by one ring, should I have it repaired ,the reverse has some damage as well as it had fell off at some time ,enamel and the cyber are both damaged.Have a lot more to show from this group but not sure if all to one man I assume to two different ones ,perhaps father and son?

Thanks for any help Freddy

 The name of the recipient can be seen on the back of the hanger ,I was also given the same surname with a different initial,

Major W.Pickel

born fthdorf bei Nürnberg

 Thanks Freddy

Edited June 8, 2018 by freddy22

[freddy22]

name on this  E.Pickel same man or not?

Edited June 8, 2018 by freddy22

[dedehansen]

Hi Freddy,

two different persons.

Is the EK mini a 1870 version?

Could you please post a better photo from the name?!

Kind regards
Andreas

[freddy22]

1870 button hole, the star is by a Constantinople maker have the case for it as well as a couple of other boxes/cases

9 minutes ago, dedehansen said:

Hi Freddy,

two different persons.

Is the EK mini a 1870 version?

Could you please post a better photo from the name?!

Kind regards
Andreas

Hi,

Hi,

1st and 2nd class minis and a 1870 1st clasp box and possible pin.

Box for Gallipoli star, A 1870 Ik1 ? and 2 others

[freddy22]

Heres the best I can do with my scanner will try a photo tomorrow.

 

 

Edited June 8, 2018 by freddy22

[dedehansen]

Hi Freddy,

there is nobody with the name Pickel in the EK 1870 list.

I found a Hauptmann Pickel in the Ehrenrangliste des 

ehemaligen deutschen Heeres, serving with 2. Fußartillerie-Regiment at Metz.

Kind regards
Andreas

[freddy22]

ww2 items with group ,another man? or the ww1 man early  1st type SA sports badge in gold.

[dedehansen]

Hi,

I think that these medals are belonging to a third person

Andreas

[freddy22]

Hi,

 Besides the name on the hanger I was told he was a Major but I assume the the last recipient,So is it possible that the Hauptman you found was a Major in WW2 and the earlier 1870 items to a older member of the family's the chain with the minis is not the same as the ww1 medals?perhaps they belong to the other side of his family.

Thanks Freddy

So could be Grandfather from one side of the family and Father and son from the other, are there any known Pickels in WW2.

Thanks

37 minutes ago, freddy22 said:

Heres the best I can do with my scanner will try a photo tomorrow.

 

 

Whats the first part of the inscription looks like another name,

best I can make out is 

  R.Schulein.  gl [intertwined]

3.I.Lbf.

E.Pickel gl[intertwined]

Ostern 35

[ixhs]

I need bigger pics of the the medal bar and  of the TWM.

 

[Dave Danner]

Wilhelm Pickel from the 2. bayer. Fußartillerie-Regiment, born 17 April 1881 in Nürnberg, received the Charakter of Major a.D. on 29 Mai 1920. The World War I awards, both German and Ottoman, match those in the Bavarian Kriegsranglisten on Ancestry.com. 

The 1870 EK chain and minis match a Prussian railway Beamter, not a Bavarian, so perhaps not a close relative of Pickel (Pickel's father was a Bavarian Gymnasial-Professor in Fürth).

[freddy22]

Hi,

Thanks for the fantastic information, couldn't ask for more .looks like 950 G.H.

here are some photos of the medal I think you mean.

Thanks Freddy

[VtwinVince]

Very interesting group of items, the Gallipoli Star is a real gem, not often seen with a genuine case. What markings are on the BMVO4mK?

[freddy22]

HI,

Thanks to all for there help,

the medal is marked wco ?950 and 900 on the swords, am I correct that the wuttenberg order is real gold certainly do's not appear to be plated.The other case /boxes are for ? the mvo fits in 2 of them but has no lid decoration ,and imo the ik1 case is a 1870 version.

Thanks Freddy

Edited June 11, 2018 by freddy22

[freddy22]

Here are to bars.

[VtwinVince]

I believe the EK1 case is an early WW1 example. Ones from 1870 are extremely rare. You have a case for the Friedrich Order, which looks to be a real gold award piece. The MVO is marked for Weiss & Co. A very interesting grouping. The mini medal bar is also great.

[saschaw]

On 12/06/2018 at 18:10, VtwinVince said:

You have a case for the Friedrich Order, which looks to be a real gold award piece.

Despite the pictures are rather small, I can add a tiny bit of information: The Friedrichorden is gold and presumably made by court jeweler Eduard Foehr, but the swords aren't! The suspension is nothing like Foehr made them. These swords were added by the Royal Mint Stuttgart, perhaps to a pre-war cross, and are certainly made from gilt silver only. This was a common practice for Württemberg's WW1 orders! See Ulrich Klein and Albert Raff's Die Württembergischen Medaillen von 1864–1933 (einschließlich der Orden und Ehrenzeichen). Stuttgart 2010. p. 463–487. Here's pictures of a "whole-blood" Eduard Foehr piece: