Please can you help me with this Order of Alexander Nevsky

[Gregoo]

Hello.I have an Order of Alexander Nevsky since 25 Years in a very good Condition.It's no Question that the Order is real.But I did not know that the person who was awarded is researchable.

I live in Germany and have it discovered in this Forum last Week.Perhaps someone can help me with the research?Here are two Photos of the Order:

[nickstrenk]

The Order is not good.Did you check it for silver?

[Gregoo]

There's a lot of Patina on the Order.I have it since 25 Years and also some other cheaper Orders.If you compare it with other Orders you just see that this is silver.Thanks for your comment.

[paul wood]

It is by the famous Russian maker "Soru" (in Cyrilic Copy). Paul

[Gregoo]

Oh!You really think this Order is a fake.And when did "Soru" work?Because I have it since the early 90's together with a lot of other Orders.Did they make fake Orders at this time?

 

 

Edited July 23, 2018 by Gregoo

[BalkanCollector]

35 minutes ago, paul wood said:

It is by the famous Russian maker "Soru" (in Cyrilic Copy). Paul

You should probably put Copy also in apostrophes (" ") because people who don't know cyrillic script could mistake it for the English word "copy". Or even better put it in italic since that's how the linguists do it.

Regards

Mario

[Gregoo]

I asked Google but can't found anything about Soru.Certainly this Order has been faked at Soviet time.Perhaps someone can tell me something from Soru?

Edited July 23, 2018 by Gregoo

[Ferdinand]

It's a little linguistic joke; if you were to pronounce the word 'copy' as if it were Cyrillic it would sound like 'soru'.

But all jokes aside, the order is fake unfortunately. Yes, they did make fakes in the 90s.

[Claudius]

3 minutes ago, Ferdinand said:

But all jokes aside, the order is fake unfortunately. Yes, they did make fakes in the 90s.

And they made them in the late 80s too.  I was burned on two Russian badges that I bought in 1989 from a little militaria shop in London.

[Gregoo]

Thanks for your comment Ferdinand.I'm really amazed now.My Father was a Dutchman like you and he got a lot of soviet Orders from a dutch collector who died.The Heritage gave this Orders to my Father all for free.

Some were sold,the best one was an Order of Labor Glory First class.We didn't pay anything for this Order but I'm really amazed if this Order is a Fake.

 

[monfort1]

Hi

 

You will be surprised, maybe, to learn that a Belgian dealer sold a lot of USSR and Chinese fakes soinces the 80', from the Netherlands to France.....

 

Where are they disseminated now...?

[Gregoo]

Yes,I'm still surprised.I always thought that you had problems to sold the originals that time.And they were cheap the originals.

Some say the 90's were the golden time to buy soviet orders.

From that Belgian dealer I've never heard certainly.I've compared the silver of the Nevsky with a cheap silver order of Labor Glory.Perhaps  it is one of this orders?Here is a Photo.If this is also a Fake I'm lucky.I'm sure it's more worthy then a real one.

Excuse, I have to post the Frontside of this Order,too.Here it is.Were this cheap orders faked anytime?Should be interesting if this is the case.

[paul wood]

Sorry it is a joke it means it is a copy. Copy if written with cyrillic script is pronounced Soru. At work when we see a Russian piece which is a wrong un we say it looks like Soru's  handywork. The Nevsky illustrated looks  very much as if it is a theatrical copy not made with the intent to deceive. As usual my joke has back-fired.

Paul

[BalkanCollector]

1 hour ago, paul wood said:

Sorry it is a joke it means it is a copy. Copy if written with cyrillic script is pronounced Soru. At work when we see a Russian piece which is a wrong un we say it looks like Soru's  handywork. The Nevsky illustrated looks  very much as if it is a theatrical copy not made with the intent to deceive. As usual my joke has back-fired.

Paul

I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up! It's harder to understand the joke if you're used to cyrillic script as myself and you naturally read "Copy" as "Soru". 

It's actually a pretty good pun  

[Gregoo]

Thank you all for your comment.

I always thouht Fake Time came later.It is what it is and it was for free.

In this collection was another order, a copy of an order of victory.I hope someone in this great Forum does know something about this Order.But I do it in a new threat.

 

Best Regards

[paul wood]

Fakes to deceive collectors originated in the late 80s (my God 30 years ago seems like yesterday) when top end soviet started making worthwhile money. Prior to that they were made for theatrical or museum display purposes.

Paul

[Gregoo]

It is a very obviously copy without the stones on the Kremlin Badge. There is one Picture in the Internet with a Copy which is shown in the Stalin Bunker in Moscow. My Copy looks like this. It's made with some Handwork. And it is at least 25 Years old.

It was a collection of round about 15 Orders and many of these Jubilee Medals. Maybe it is made for Museum or something like this. I don't know, I saw only one similar.

 

Greets

[Claudius]

4 hours ago, paul wood said:

 As usual my joke has back-fired.

welcome to my world...my family is telling me this all the time, and I won't take the hint...

[Egorka]

18 hours ago, Gregoo said:

Gregoo, hello.

This one is original, but the red star was lost and replaced with something else.

[Gregoo]

Thanks Egorka. I saw this now for the forst time. It looks very different to other orders. I am just looking to other orders and the star is complete different.

[monfort1]

51 minutes ago, Egorka said:

Gregoo, hello.

This one is original, but the red star was lost and replaced with something else.

Exact !