EK 1939 1939 EK1 Flea market find

[Motorhead]

This morning I've been to a fleamarked in Heidelberg....the first good EK since a few years!A worn,but still good Alois Rettenmaier L/59 with the additional marking"S" and a "rhomb" under the pin. This one has got a similar pin to the "26" B.H.Meyer,something that I have seen only at the "S" marked pieces.

[Motorhead]

Reverse

[Motorhead]

Maker Mark

[Motorhead]

The "rhomb" under the pin

[Motorhead]

Here's another one from my collection-different pin and hinge,maker marked with L/59 and a "square".No markings under the pin

Obverse

[joe campbell]

wish i could find some flea markets like that here

in the states.....

very nice find, micha!

joe

[Motorhead]

Reverse

[Motorhead]

And here's the matching screwback variation-also marked with L/59 and a "square"

[Motorhead]

Reverse

[Motorhead]

The markings

[Motorhead]

And the screw...

[David Gregory]

Lucky find - I wish my local flea market was as good as yours!

I seem to remember the square used as a mark on 1914 iron crosses. Is it a mark used by the same maker on both 1939 and 1914 crosses?

[joe campbell]

WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!

that sure does appear to be the very same square

seen on what are generally magnificent quality

1914 crosses.

not having references nearby, is this L/59 alois rettenmaier?

my pulse is up!

joe

[Motorhead]

Absolute right,Joe-L/59 is Alois Rettenmaier. The"square".....hmm,realy hard to tell-When I'm back home I will try to make some really big scans of the "square" markings.Maybe we have luck and the stampings where made with the same tool.....

Micha

[Stogieman]

Hi Micha, the square shows up on a number of WW1 EK1's and even on the pin of the occasional pilot badge. I'm not convinced yet that the PB's at least are authentic... The EK1's yes.

[Motorhead]

Hi Rick,what makes you think the marking could be not authentic? There are just two EKs where you can find them-these special 1914 EK variation with a"unique" core-and the EKs from Alois Rettenmaier.....

Micha

[Stogieman]

Micha, I accept the mark as authentic.

I am not convinced that this mark on a pilot badge is authentic.

I think these pilot badges may be copies with false markings.

[Motorhead]

Ups......my ability in understanding foreign languages I should improve my english-by the way,have you got some pictures with these fake markings?It could be interesting to compare them with the EK markings.

Micha

[DavidM]

Hello

A very nice collection of beautiful original EKs. Thanks for showing them.

[Jan Arne S]

Very Nice L/59 EK 1`s from Rattenmaier , one of my favourite makers of EK 1`s .

Jan Arne

[Hauptmann]

Hi Motorhead,

An excellent find! Wish I "had" flea markets where I am. They do on the other hand tend to have a ton of estate sales where quite often "finds" pop up and can be had for a song. Folks out here have farmsteads and even family homes that go back to the late 1800's and seems each generation pack rats away "everything"! Then somewhere along the way, especially when someone dies and they need to get rid of everything they have one of these (if not several) huge sales and stuff just shows up that you would not believe and for prices from "back in the day" or even earlier.

Anyhow terrific piece. You are indeed a lucky man! Congratulations! May you find many, many more!

Dan

[Bill Garvy]

Beautiful crosses, Micha, and may I also comment that the pin, hinge, & clasp configuration resembles those utilized on Otto Schickle manufactured crosses. Many unmarked crosses I have looked at, and thought were unmarked Schickles, have later turned out to be unmarked Rettenmaier's or Meyer's. . . Edited April 17, 2006 by Bill Garvy