GM1 Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Here is my collection of Belgian Victory Medals: Upper row: Chez made models: first three by Alexander Leisek and the fourth by Riemer. Even so, the suspension on the Leisek exemplars are two different models. The first one bears the LA mark also in the laurel wreath. The other two don't have the LA mark on the adverse, but yes on the reverse. Lower row: First and fourth medal: normal Dubois model, second with no reverse, third with the "bronze" and "JC" marking. Can someone help me with the Lasso classification of these medals? I still do not have the book Best regards, GM1 P.D. More pictures with details will follow.
Jean-Michel Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Hello GM1 I think it should read "JB" and not "JC", "JB" = "January-Berchot". Regards Jean-Michel
GM1 Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Thanks Jean-Michel for the correction: A picture of the French version.
GM1 Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 The LA-mark on the anverse: The differences of the suspension: GM1
RobW Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Hello GM1, Welcome to the forum and this particular area. It is not unusual for the Alexander Leisek maker marks to be very faint. Regards, Rob
GM1 Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 The Leisek without LA in the anverse: The Leisek with LA in the anverse:
RobW Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 The LA-mark on the anverse: The differences of the suspension: GM1 Hello GM1, You will also note on the first Alexander Leisek model, with the 'LA' mark inside the wreath on the obverse, that there is a faint PAUL DUBIOS stamping at the bottom right of the obverse. This is not present on the Leisek models that only have the 'LA' mark on the reverse. Regards, Rob
lambert Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 Hello All.An overview of my vic Belgians. (So far) Type officers: variant Frances officer with cross wounded officer with bar widow, official mint and oficiail (no ribbon) Lambert
rocketscientist Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) Here are my two Belgian WW1 Interallied medals. They have been purchased separately in time and from different locations in the world. Nevertheless, I always had the suspect they are both cast copies. Please have a look (pictures are 2000pix wide) and leave your comments. Thank you! ciao Sergio Edited July 14, 2013 by rocketscientist
lambert Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Hello Sergio.I do not see anything different or could suspect his examples. For me everything OK Because you suspect copies? Lambert
GM1 Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Hello GM1, You will also note on the first Alexander Leisek model, with the 'LA' mark inside the wreath on the obverse, that there is a faint PAUL DUBIOS stamping at the bottom right of the obverse. This is not present on the Leisek models that only have the 'LA' mark on the reverse. Regards, Rob Hi Rob, I can confirm that there is a faint Paul DUBOIS inscription. Pictures will follow. Thanks a lot for the useful information! Best regards, GM1
GM1 Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Hello All. An overview of my vic Belgians. (So far) coleção vic belga.jpg Type officers: variant Frances officer with cross wounded officer with bar widow, official mint and oficiail (no ribbon) Lambert Hi Lambert: The Red Cross is not allowed on the Victory Medal, but indeed can be worn on the Conmemorative Medal of the War 1914-1918. Best regards, GM1
GM1 Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Hi Rob, I can confirm that there is a faint Paul DUBOIS inscription. Pictures will follow. Thanks a lot for the useful information! Best regards, GM1 Difficult to see, but between 5 and 6 o´clock there is the name of the sculpture, Paul Dubois. Best regards, GM1
rocketscientist Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Hello Sergio. I do not see anything different or could suspect his examples. For me everything OK Because you suspect copies? Lambert Lambert, I am glad to hear that you do not see anything wrong in the medals. However, I will try to explain my concern. If we take the one on the left as reference, the medal on the right shows a significant porosity all over the surface and a general lack of details which is not due to wear (because of its uniformity). This is normally indication of cast copy, where the medals are obtained by fusion of the metal rather than struck. Maybe I am biased by being a collector of USSR medals which are very ofter faked using this method.
lambert Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Hi Sergio.I understand your concern.There are several reproductions (unofficial)There is a type of French manufacture, marked with a triangle and the word Bronze. Is there any mark on his medal? Lambert
rocketscientist Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 There is a type of French manufacture, marked with a triangle and the word Bronze. Is there any mark on his medal? I have seen some pictures posted here with the markings you're referring to, Lambert. I could check only the one on the right (the worst) and found nothing. As far as I can remember, also the other medal has no marks, at least not on the side.
RobW Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Here are my two Belgian WW1 Interallied medals. They have been purchased separately in time and from different locations in the world. Nevertheless, I always had the suspect they are both cast copies. Please have a look (pictures are 2000pix wide) and leave your comments. Thank you! ciao Sergio Hello Sergio, Taking into consideration that there were an estimated 300,000 to 350,000 (Laslo Ed 2, cit) of this model produced, some variation in both the finish and metallic content should be expected. While all the specific Belgian manufacturers of this model have not been identified I have seen models before that have a shallower level of detail as well as more bronze appearance to the ball suspender. Both examples look fine. Regards, Rob Edited July 23, 2013 by RobW
lambert Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Thank you for complementing my point of view. Your comment is more accurate. Hello Sergio, Taking into consideration that there were an estimated 300,000 to 350,000 (Laslo Ed 2, cit) of this model produced, some variation in both the finish and metallic content should be expected. While all the specific Belgian manufacturers of this model have not been identified I have seen models before that have a shallower level of detail as well as more bronze appearance to the ball suspender. Both examples look fine. Regards, Rob Thanks Rob ..Your comment is more accurate. lambert Lambert
rocketscientist Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Thank you all. Glad to read that the medals are both ok! That's a relief! cheers sergio
Bilco Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Hi Gents, I've just acquired a Belgian Official Type which appears to have a slightly odd suspension. It looks more oval when seen from front or rear, while it's a mis-shapen sphere in side view. Some photos: Obverse Reverse Obverse close-up. The solder joint is much wider than other examples I've seen - almost as wide as the suspension. Reverse close-up. The ball is certainly not spherical! Side view of suspension. The hole is elongated F-R and the odd shape of the sphere is evident. The ball has striations running across it from L-R. The name of the designer is on the obverse, although the IS of DUBOIS is almost invisible. From the front the suspension resembles that on Oliver's vic shown on the Sammler site http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsammler.ru%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D115165%26st%3D0%26%23entry1388950 The 'ball' measures 4.5mm from side to side, and approximately 5.6mm front to rear and top to bottom - difficult to get an accurate measure due to the odd shape! So, is this just an oddity or something more significant? Bill
RobW Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Hi Gents, I've just acquired a Belgian Official Type which appears to have a slightly odd suspension. It looks more oval when seen from front or rear, while it's a mis-shapen sphere in side view. Obverse close-up. The solder joint is much wider than other examples I've seen - almost as wide as the suspension. Reverse close-up. The ball is certainly not spherical! Side view of suspension. The hole is elongated F-R and the odd shape of the sphere is evident. The ball has striations running across it from L-R. The name of the designer is on the obverse, although the IS of DUBOIS is almost invisible. The 'ball' measures 4.5mm from side to side, and approximately 5.6mm front to rear and top to bottom - difficult to get an accurate measure due to the odd shape! So, is this just an oddity or something more significant? Bill Hello Bill, I have seen Belgian vics (official ones) that have both smaller and larger balls, balls with larger gaps or spaces for the suspension ring, as well as balls that were misshapen, or slightly flattened. There is such variety that I would suggest it is just an oddly shaped ball suspender that has, perhaps, been knocked or come in contact with something else to give it that slightly flattened appearance. That the medal is suspended by French and not Belgian ribbon is of note as well! Regards, Rob Edited September 6, 2013 by RobW
Bilco Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 Thanks Rob - I need to see a bigger sample - the few I have are all neatly spherical! Interesting point about the ribbon - I got the medal from France. Bill
lambert Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Hi Bill. Remember that the Belgian medal, manufactured in France, has the ball slightly larger and thinner wire suspension. --- Recently acquired in France, one vic unofficial French model Charles, maker's is clearly legible. Best Regards Lambert Edited September 6, 2013 by lambert
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