Long shot... medals on the bar......

[Chris Boonzaier]

I know I am asking almost the impossible here.... this august 1914 pic... this may just be a guy whose tunic I have..... What could the large cross to our right be? He has a Romanina award.... Thanks, Chris

He would have had MVO4Kl, PRLM,  and the Romanina award at the time of the pic

[GdC26]

Chris, I think this may indeed well be the Orden des Sterns von Rumänien Offizierskreuz your man apparently had.

These are not hard to come by.

Cheers, 

Sandro

[Chris Boonzaier]

I think it is very possible that he is von Malsen... he seems to have the same medal combination... Leiber , The Scharpe and tinsel... and stands right behind Kronprinz Rupprecht.... I think this may be his flügel adjutant von Malsen! ... and could that be Leonrod to his right? 3 Generations of the crown with 3 Flügel Adjutant behind them?

[GdC26]

Not sure when in 1914 the pic was taken, but the front row seems to be Rupprecht and 2 of his sons, with heir apparent Luitpold Maximilian Ludwig Karl on the right (who, I gather, died on August 27, 1914).

Second row is Prinz Ludwig Ferdinand plus two Flugeladjutanten (or a Flügeladjutant and a Generaladjutant (hard to make out - the plume says no, the Kantillen on the epaulette are unclear and the Zahringer Löwe Komtur says maybe... My money is on two Flügeladjutanten, though).

Cheers,

 Sandro 

[Chris Boonzaier]

That is a nice set of medals! From where he is standing, I think the Flugel Adj with the spiked Helmet is probably that od Rupprecht... at this time von Malsen. And the fact that it is a Leiber uniform and seems to be corresponding medal bar... would you agree there are extremely good chances it is him?

[GdC26]

15 minutes ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

That is a nice set of medals! From where he is standing, I think the Flugel Adj with the spiked Helmet is probably that od Rupprecht... at this time von Malsen. And the fact that it is a Leiber uniform and seems to be corresponding medal bar... would you agree there are extremely good chances it is him?

I think you are probably correct. Have you contacted the museum in Ingolstadt to see if they have a picture of von Malsen?

 

[Chris Boonzaier]

1 hour ago, GdC26 said:

I think you are probably correct. Have you contacted the museum in Ingolstadt to see if they have a picture of von Malsen?

 

I have no contact with anyone there ?

[GdC26]

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/2-uncategorised/68-impressum.html

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/service/ansprechpartner/dr-ansgar-reiss.html

I'm pretty sure that if you e-mail them they will write back.

[Glenn J]

Guys,

I have this young Ludwig Freiherr von Malsen in 1894.

Regards

Glenn

 

[Komtur]

43 minutes ago, GdC26 said:

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/2-uncategorised/68-impressum.html

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/service/ansprechpartner/dr-ansgar-reiss.html

I'm pretty sure that if you e-mail them they will write back.

You could also directly contact Dr. Frank Wernitz. He is additionally a member of the scientific advisory council of the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Ordenskunde.

[Chris Boonzaier]

7 minutes ago, Glenn J said:

Guys,

I have this young Ludwig Freiherr von Malsen in 1894.

Regards

Glenn

 

Wow... where on earth did you turn that up??

[GdC26]

5 minutes ago, Komtur said:

You could also directly contact Dr. Frank Wernitz. He is additionally a member of the scientific advisory council of the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Ordenskunde.

?

[GdC26]

8 hours ago, Glenn J said:

Guys,

I have this young Ludwig Freiherr von Malsen in 1894.

Regards

Glenn

 

Great find Glenn. I’d say his face has the same features as that of the gentleman in the pic Chris posted, so I think Chris’ identification was correct.

Kind regards,
Sandro

[Chris Boonzaier]

Just by coincidence.......

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[Glenn J]

Chris,

that confirms Malsen. The bemedalled chap to his left is Friedrich Graf zu Pappenheim, Major à la suite der Armee with the uniform of 1. Schweres-Reiter-Regiment. He was the Crown Prince's Hofmarschall. (Hence all the bling)!

Regards

Glenn

[Trooper_D]

23 hours ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

Just by coincidence.......

 

And what, pray, is that urchin doing lurking in the background? Up to no good, I'll be bound. Security obviously wasn't a thing, in those days.

 

 

 

Ah, unless it is the real prince who has swapped places with his doppelgänger the bootboy for the day, for a lark! (Full disclosure: I think I might have stolen that idea from a book I read as a child!)

Edited January 16, 2021 by Trooper_D

[Chris Boonzaier]

1 hour ago, Trooper_D said:

 

And what, pray, is that urchin doing lurking in the background? Up to no good, I'll be bound. Security obviously wasn't a thing, in those days.

Ah, unless it is the real prince who has swapped places with his doppelgänger the bootboy for the day, for a lark! (Full disclosure: I think I might have stolen that idea from a book I read as a child!)

Its Gavrilo Princip ... thinking to himself.... "hmmm... file for later use... there IS a way for a poor young man to make it into the history books!"

[Chris Boonzaier]

OK... was this a lucky find? from the uniform, Prinz Rupprecht and the roundish face and jowls I think this is Malsen as well.....

[ostprussenmann_new]

That will be amazing if you can figure this out.  Can you post a colored photo of the uniform you have?  Do you have all original medals on it?