Long shot... medals on the bar......

[Chris Boonzaier]

I know I am asking almost the impossible here.... this august 1914 pic... this may just be a guy whose tunic I have..... What could the large cross to our right be? He has a Romanina award.... Thanks, Chris

He would have had MVO4Kl, PRLM,  and the Romanina award at the time of the pic

[GdC26]

Chris, I think this may indeed well be the Orden des Sterns von Rumänien Offizierskreuz your man apparently had.

These are not hard to come by.

Cheers, 

Sandro

[Chris Boonzaier]

I think it is very possible that he is von Malsen... he seems to have the same medal combination... Leiber , The Scharpe and tinsel... and stands right behind Kronprinz Rupprecht.... I think this may be his flügel adjutant von Malsen! ... and could that be Leonrod to his right? 3 Generations of the crown with 3 Flügel Adjutant behind them?

[GdC26]

Not sure when in 1914 the pic was taken, but the front row seems to be Rupprecht and 2 of his sons, with heir apparent Luitpold Maximilian Ludwig Karl on the right (who, I gather, died on August 27, 1914).

Second row is Prinz Ludwig Ferdinand plus two Flugeladjutanten (or a Flügeladjutant and a Generaladjutant (hard to make out - the plume says no, the Kantillen on the epaulette are unclear and the Zahringer Löwe Komtur says maybe... My money is on two Flügeladjutanten, though).

Cheers,

 Sandro 

[Chris Boonzaier]

That is a nice set of medals! From where he is standing, I think the Flugel Adj with the spiked Helmet is probably that od Rupprecht... at this time von Malsen. And the fact that it is a Leiber uniform and seems to be corresponding medal bar... would you agree there are extremely good chances it is him?

[GdC26]

  On 22/12/2020 at 14:59, Chris Boonzaier said:

That is a nice set of medals! From where he is standing, I think the Flugel Adj with the spiked Helmet is probably that od Rupprecht... at this time von Malsen. And the fact that it is a Leiber uniform and seems to be corresponding medal bar... would you agree there are extremely good chances it is him?

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I think you are probably correct. Have you contacted the museum in Ingolstadt to see if they have a picture of von Malsen?

 

[Chris Boonzaier]

  On 22/12/2020 at 15:20, GdC26 said:

I think you are probably correct. Have you contacted the museum in Ingolstadt to see if they have a picture of von Malsen?

 

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I have no contact with anyone there ?

[GdC26]

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/2-uncategorised/68-impressum.html

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/service/ansprechpartner/dr-ansgar-reiss.html

I'm pretty sure that if you e-mail them they will write back.

[Glenn J]

Guys,

I have this young Ludwig Freiherr von Malsen in 1894.

Regards

Glenn

 

[Komtur]

  On 22/12/2020 at 17:59, GdC26 said:

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/2-uncategorised/68-impressum.html

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/service/ansprechpartner/dr-ansgar-reiss.html

I'm pretty sure that if you e-mail them they will write back.

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You could also directly contact Dr. Frank Wernitz. He is additionally a member of the scientific advisory council of the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Ordenskunde.

[Chris Boonzaier]

  On 22/12/2020 at 18:41, Glenn J said:

Guys,

I have this young Ludwig Freiherr von Malsen in 1894.

Regards

Glenn

 

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Wow... where on earth did you turn that up??

[GdC26]

  On 22/12/2020 at 18:48, Komtur said:

You could also directly contact Dr. Frank Wernitz. He is additionally a member of the scientific advisory council of the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Ordenskunde.

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[GdC26]

  On 22/12/2020 at 18:41, Glenn J said:

Guys,

I have this young Ludwig Freiherr von Malsen in 1894.

Regards

Glenn

 

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Great find Glenn. I’d say his face has the same features as that of the gentleman in the pic Chris posted, so I think Chris’ identification was correct.

Kind regards,
Sandro

[Chris Boonzaier]

Just by coincidence.......

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[Glenn J]

Chris,

that confirms Malsen. The bemedalled chap to his left is Friedrich Graf zu Pappenheim, Major à la suite der Armee with the uniform of 1. Schweres-Reiter-Regiment. He was the Crown Prince's Hofmarschall. (Hence all the bling)!

Regards

Glenn

[Trooper_D]

  On 15/01/2021 at 14:50, Chris Boonzaier said:

Just by coincidence.......

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And what, pray, is that urchin doing lurking in the background? Up to no good, I'll be bound. Security obviously wasn't a thing, in those days.

 

 

 

Ah, unless it is the real prince who has swapped places with his doppelgänger the bootboy for the day, for a lark! (Full disclosure: I think I might have stolen that idea from a book I read as a child!)

Edited January 16, 2021 by Trooper_D

[Chris Boonzaier]

  On 16/01/2021 at 14:21, Trooper_D said:

 

And what, pray, is that urchin doing lurking in the background? Up to no good, I'll be bound. Security obviously wasn't a thing, in those days.

Ah, unless it is the real prince who has swapped places with his doppelgänger the bootboy for the day, for a lark! (Full disclosure: I think I might have stolen that idea from a book I read as a child!)

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Its Gavrilo Princip ... thinking to himself.... "hmmm... file for later use... there IS a way for a poor young man to make it into the history books!"

[Chris Boonzaier]

OK... was this a lucky find? from the uniform, Prinz Rupprecht and the roundish face and jowls I think this is Malsen as well.....

[ostprussenmann_new]

That will be amazing if you can figure this out.  Can you post a colored photo of the uniform you have?  Do you have all original medals on it?