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    Posted

    Hi Gents,

    Since moving from a house to a flat in 2021 most of my stuff has stayed boxed up. I’ve just started opening some up.
     

    Already it’s raised the question…

    ”Can you have too many KTK?”

    🤔

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    Obviously the answer is

    “NO, don’t be stupid.”

     

    Here are mine 👇 (so far)

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    stashed away again for now
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    with a few more floating around

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    There are some amazing threads already on GMIC about these hard earned little beauties so I don’t expect to add anything new on this one but over time I intend to post pics of each.

    I’ll be concentrating on the makers marks.

    Maybe we’ll spot something interesting. 🤞

     

    cheers

    tony

    🍻

     

     

    Posted
    19 minutes ago, graham said:

    Great collection, look forward to future postings with different markings.


    Thanks Graham 🍻

    Encouragement is always appreciated 👍

     

    I’ve mostly picked them up from house clearance or similar as opposed to dealers who may look at them closer.
    & I look for marks when I get them but I don’t go so far as to look them up…

    So fingers crossed for an interesting variety 🤞

     

    cheers

    tony


     

    Posted

    Hi Tony, nice collection you have there!  Impressive.

     

    Say, if you ever decide to let that aluminum one go.......I'm your man!

     

    Best Regards 

     

    Greg

    Posted

    Well Gents,

    I’ve had my trusty eye piece out…

    & the results are in.

    So without getting ahead of myself (I want to build the suspense 😊 & post pics of everything first) these are just the numbers without disclosing the makers.

    12 x

      8 x

      4 x

      3 x

      3 x

      2 x

      1 x

    1 x aluminium (possibly stamped)

    1 x unmarked 

    ——————-

     

    I’d quickly like to use this opportunity to ask you about the picture quality below, I’m on a phone so hard to know the scale and detail of them on other devices. Feedback appreciated 👍

     

    &… I’ve given in, I need to ask about this mark 👇 Gents? It’s shaped not unlike a club (like the suit in playing cards) but I don’t know it.

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    A guess… Is it the Schneider Brothers (SB?) mentioned in the list below? 🤷‍♂️

     

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    * HMA - HEERESMATERIALAMT

        (Army Ordnance)

     

    * BSW - Bruder Schneider Wien 


    ————-//

     

    All thoughts welcome..

     

    Cheers

    tony 🍻

    Posted

    Update…

    After looking at the excellent hallmarks thread by bovec, i can confirm the ‘clubs’ shaped makers mark is indeed that of Bruder Schneider, it is a ‘clover’ mark they used. 


    tony

     

     

    Posted (edited)

    Hi Gents,

    My intention is to learn a little as I Google things to write and post these, i already know more than I did…

    but I’m not someone who does a deep dive and already I find myself distracted by random musings about my observations, not the facts or history which might disagree with me. I’m a collector/hoarder not historian 😊

     

    Please feel free to inform, correct or agree with any of it and of course requests for anything I can add always welcome.


    ————

     

    I’ve been having a little look at the availability of KTK by the various makers.

     

    Predominately I found

     W&A (Winter & Adler)

     BSW (Bruder Schneider Wien)

     

    So no surprise that these are the 2 most present amongst mine…


    There are 12 W&A

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    There are 8 BSW

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    Further summary to follow…

     

    tony 🍻

    Edited by Farkas
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    Posted

    Hi Gents,

    continuing the summary first…

     

    There are 4 marked HMA.

    - HEERESMATERIALAMT

        (Army Ordnance) in my opinion. 

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    There are 3 marked JC

    - Johann Christelbaur & Son

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    There are 3 marked FA

    I haven’t seen this attributed to a particular maker so…
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    I’m inclined to say FA represents…

    - FESTUNGSARTILLERIE (Fortress Artillery) 

     

    If HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) is acceptable as maker HMA then why not FESTUNGSARTILLERIE  (Fortress Artillery) also?

     

    Any thoughts welcome as always 👍


    tony 🍻

     

    ***

    Just 5 left to summarise, then onto pictures of the KTK, the stamps and details.


     

    Posted
    8 hours ago, Farkas said:

    Hi Gents,

    continuing the summary first…

     

    There are 4 marked HMA.

    - HEERESMATERIALAMT

        (Army Ordnance) in my opinion. 

    35E37A81-ADDD-4141-A5EF-59B11678AF38.thumb.jpeg.0470f5e3caa883ca2ecbbbdc9de9fc59.jpeg

     

    There are 3 marked JC

    - Johann Christelbaur & Son

    676DAED7-E431-4C3B-AF9A-1077874FF462.thumb.jpeg.256b249a024c9c6c3cb04e5590762ff9.jpeg

     

    There are 3 marked FA

    I haven’t seen this attributed to a particular maker so…
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    I’m inclined to say FA represents…

    - FESTUNGSARTILLERIE (Fortress Artillery) 

     

    If HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) is acceptable as maker HMA then why not FESTUNGSARTILLERIE  (Fortress Artillery) also?

     

    Any thoughts welcome as always 👍


    tony 🍻

     

    ***

    Just 5 left to summarise, then onto pictures of the KTK, the stamps and details.


     

    Nice

    Posted
    On 13/07/2023 at 07:55, Christian1962 said:

    HMA should mean "Hauptmünzamt".

     

    Regards

     

    Christian

     
    Thanks Christian,

    HMA -   Hauptmünzamt ( State Mint )

    Posted

    Hi Gents,

      

    I’m still on the introduction, 🤷‍♂️! Still just the breakdown of the 35 Karl Truppen Kreuz (& counting) by makers mark, following are the last five.

    So by number not design, the ‘best’ may have been saved until last. I was hoping to find something unusual as well as pick up some new knowledge


    There are 2 marked GW

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    The maker GW is not known as far as I am aware and it is not even on the (very helpful) list of known makers.

     

    There is 1 marked MKT

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    The maker MKT has not been identified either as far as I am aware, though known as one and considered ‘uncommon’.

     

    There is 1 without a makers mark.

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    There is 1 made of aluminium (that’s ‘nium’ you yanks) 

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    I didn’t even know they existed until Greg recognised it 👍


     

    Thats the 35, finer details to follow Gents.

     

    tony 🍻

    Posted
    5 hours ago, Farkas said:

    Hi Gents,

      

    I’m still on the introduction, 🤷‍♂️! Still just the breakdown of the 35 Karl Truppen Kreuz (& counting) by makers mark, following are the last five.

    So by number not design, the ‘best’ may have been saved until last. I was hoping to find something unusual as well as pick up some new knowledge


    There are 2 marked GW

    8AFEB360-202D-434D-9A76-DACFB2745128.thumb.jpeg.21f39b2b42c6645fbfb47403b727a943.jpeg
    The maker GW is not known as far as I am aware and it is not even on the (very helpful) list of known makers.

     

    There is 1 marked MKT

    8E8DCA71-31D6-41C0-89CD-465BD6BEB383.thumb.jpeg.16062c2728ec9db092e9986665f927f1.jpeg
    The maker MKT has not been identified either as far as I am aware, though known as one and considered ‘uncommon’.

     

    There is 1 without a makers mark.

    7BC6EFF3-3949-4969-A19A-681562E66C0B.thumb.jpeg.4de6cbf3099fce85b82f7c1e0d880bc6.jpeg


     

    There is 1 made of aluminium (that’s ‘nium’ you yanks) 

    082E6236-F87B-4A78-A945-2A891EC99CD9.thumb.jpeg.425f3a495bf9869b66ceac1af1d86add.jpeg

    I didn’t even know they existed until Greg recognised it 👍


     

    Thats the 35, finer details to follow Gents.

     

    tony 🍻

    Nice Work Tony

    Posted
    On 20/07/2023 at 07:52, Graf said:

    Nice Work Tony

     

    Well, the first bit is completed.

    & I’ve learnt a few things myself already.

    However... I also made a few hasty (incorrect) assumptions...

     

    A deeper dive into them to follow.

     

    So... As always, your corrections and any thoughts will be needed, encouraged and appreciated Gents.

     

    tony 🍻

     

    PS This could take a while 😊

     

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    Posted

    On the Chinese trading website, I once saw a Carr's Legion Cross made of gold with a wreath around the cross.. But it's very expensive, it's already on sale now:ninja:

    • 2 weeks later...
    Posted
    On 30/07/2023 at 13:18, 1812 Overture said:

    On the Chinese trading website, I once saw a Carr's Legion Cross made of gold with a wreath around the cross.. But it's very expensive, it's already on sale now:ninja:


    Any chance you saved a picture 1812 ?

    tony 🍻

    Posted
    2 hours ago, Farkas said:

    Hi Gents

     

    The GW is identified as

    Grossman Wien.

     

    There is still an MKT to try and find…🤞

     

    tony 🍻

    Well Done Tony

    Posted

    Hi Tony KMT could be similar like the German KMST -Königliche Muenzamt Stuttgart  Famous German Maker  for making  1914 Iron Cross

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    • 5 weeks later...
    Posted (edited)

    FA - Franz Adler Metallwarenfabrik

    GW - Győrffy és Wolf Fémipari Rt.

    Edited by unmo300
    • 4 weeks later...
    Posted
    On 13/07/2023 at 01:53, Farkas said:

    Hi Gents,

    continuing the summary first…

     

    There are 4 marked HMA.

    - HEERESMATERIALAMT

        (Army Ordnance) in my opinion. 

    35E37A81-ADDD-4141-A5EF-59B11678AF38.thumb.jpeg.0470f5e3caa883ca2ecbbbdc9de9fc59.jpeg

     

    There are 3 marked JC

    - Johann Christelbaur & Son

    676DAED7-E431-4C3B-AF9A-1077874FF462.thumb.jpeg.256b249a024c9c6c3cb04e5590762ff9.jpeg

     

    There are 3 marked FA

    I haven’t seen this attributed to a particular maker so…
    CEAC3D78-3324-4FE5-A8E6-5A2BF43A4FDA.thumb.jpeg.208204f1b6bad714606b3794ad0a8ece.jpeg
    I’m inclined to say FA represents…

    - FESTUNGSARTILLERIE (Fortress Artillery) 

     

    If HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) is acceptable as maker HMA then why not FESTUNGSARTILLERIE  (Fortress Artillery) also?

     

    Any thoughts welcome as always 👍


    tony 🍻

     

    ***

    Just 5 left to summarise, then onto pictures of the KTK, the stamps and details.


     

    FA is the mark of Franz Adler from Vienna

    On 12/08/2023 at 15:40, 1812 Overture said:

    I'm pretty sure I saw it in the emedals archive some time ago.
    It will probably have been an officer who was not happy to have the same decoration as the troop and would have had it personalized, as happened with the kanonenkreuz

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