Farkas Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Hi Gents, Since moving from a house to a flat in 2021 most of my stuff has stayed boxed up. I’ve just started opening some up. Already it’s raised the question… ”Can you have too many KTK?” 🤔 Obviously the answer is “NO, don’t be stupid.” Here are mine 👇 (so far) stashed away again for now with a few more floating around There are some amazing threads already on GMIC about these hard earned little beauties so I don’t expect to add anything new on this one but over time I intend to post pics of each. I’ll be concentrating on the makers marks. Maybe we’ll spot something interesting. 🤞 cheers tony 🍻 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Great collection, look forward to future postings with different markings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, graham said: Great collection, look forward to future postings with different markings. Thanks Graham 🍻 Encouragement is always appreciated 👍 I’ve mostly picked them up from house clearance or similar as opposed to dealers who may look at them closer. & I look for marks when I get them but I don’t go so far as to look them up… So fingers crossed for an interesting variety 🤞 cheers tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjw Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Hi Tony, nice collection you have there! Impressive. Say, if you ever decide to let that aluminum one go.......I'm your man! Best Regards Greg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 8, 2023 Author Share Posted July 8, 2023 Well Gents, I’ve had my trusty eye piece out… & the results are in. So without getting ahead of myself (I want to build the suspense 😊 & post pics of everything first) these are just the numbers without disclosing the makers. 12 x 8 x 4 x 3 x 3 x 2 x 1 x 1 x aluminium (possibly stamped) 1 x unmarked ——————- I’d quickly like to use this opportunity to ask you about the picture quality below, I’m on a phone so hard to know the scale and detail of them on other devices. Feedback appreciated 👍 &… I’ve given in, I need to ask about this mark 👇 Gents? It’s shaped not unlike a club (like the suit in playing cards) but I don’t know it. A guess… Is it the Schneider Brothers (SB?) mentioned in the list below? 🤷♂️ * HMA - HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) * BSW - Bruder Schneider Wien ————-// All thoughts welcome.. Cheers tony 🍻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 8, 2023 Author Share Posted July 8, 2023 Update… After looking at the excellent hallmarks thread by bovec, i can confirm the ‘clubs’ shaped makers mark is indeed that of Bruder Schneider, it is a ‘clover’ mark they used. tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 11, 2023 Author Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) Hi Gents, My intention is to learn a little as I Google things to write and post these, i already know more than I did… but I’m not someone who does a deep dive and already I find myself distracted by random musings about my observations, not the facts or history which might disagree with me. I’m a collector/hoarder not historian 😊 Please feel free to inform, correct or agree with any of it and of course requests for anything I can add always welcome. ———— I’ve been having a little look at the availability of KTK by the various makers. Predominately I found W&A (Winter & Adler) BSW (Bruder Schneider Wien) So no surprise that these are the 2 most present amongst mine… There are 12 W&A There are 8 BSW Further summary to follow… tony 🍻 Edited July 12, 2023 by Farkas X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 12, 2023 Author Share Posted July 12, 2023 Hi Gents, continuing the summary first… There are 4 marked HMA. - HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) in my opinion. There are 3 marked JC - Johann Christelbaur & Son There are 3 marked FA I haven’t seen this attributed to a particular maker so… I’m inclined to say FA represents… - FESTUNGSARTILLERIE (Fortress Artillery) If HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) is acceptable as maker HMA then why not FESTUNGSARTILLERIE (Fortress Artillery) also? Any thoughts welcome as always 👍 tony 🍻 *** Just 5 left to summarise, then onto pictures of the KTK, the stamps and details. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 I think I’m wrong about the HMA & FA marks… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1962 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 HMA should mean "Hauptmünzamt". Regards Christian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Farkas said: Hi Gents, continuing the summary first… There are 4 marked HMA. - HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) in my opinion. There are 3 marked JC - Johann Christelbaur & Son There are 3 marked FA I haven’t seen this attributed to a particular maker so… I’m inclined to say FA represents… - FESTUNGSARTILLERIE (Fortress Artillery) If HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) is acceptable as maker HMA then why not FESTUNGSARTILLERIE (Fortress Artillery) also? Any thoughts welcome as always 👍 tony 🍻 *** Just 5 left to summarise, then onto pictures of the KTK, the stamps and details. Nice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 14, 2023 Author Share Posted July 14, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 07:55, Christian1962 said: HMA should mean "Hauptmünzamt". Regards Christian Thanks Christian, HMA - Hauptmünzamt ( State Mint ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 Hi Gents, I’m still on the introduction, 🤷♂️! Still just the breakdown of the 35 Karl Truppen Kreuz (& counting) by makers mark, following are the last five. So by number not design, the ‘best’ may have been saved until last. I was hoping to find something unusual as well as pick up some new knowledge There are 2 marked GW The maker GW is not known as far as I am aware and it is not even on the (very helpful) list of known makers. There is 1 marked MKT The maker MKT has not been identified either as far as I am aware, though known as one and considered ‘uncommon’. There is 1 without a makers mark. There is 1 made of aluminium (that’s ‘nium’ you yanks) I didn’t even know they existed until Greg recognised it 👍 Thats the 35, finer details to follow Gents. tony 🍻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Farkas said: Hi Gents, I’m still on the introduction, 🤷♂️! Still just the breakdown of the 35 Karl Truppen Kreuz (& counting) by makers mark, following are the last five. So by number not design, the ‘best’ may have been saved until last. I was hoping to find something unusual as well as pick up some new knowledge There are 2 marked GW The maker GW is not known as far as I am aware and it is not even on the (very helpful) list of known makers. There is 1 marked MKT The maker MKT has not been identified either as far as I am aware, though known as one and considered ‘uncommon’. There is 1 without a makers mark. There is 1 made of aluminium (that’s ‘nium’ you yanks) I didn’t even know they existed until Greg recognised it 👍 Thats the 35, finer details to follow Gents. tony 🍻 Nice Work Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 20/07/2023 at 07:52, Graf said: Nice Work Tony Well, the first bit is completed. & I’ve learnt a few things myself already. However... I also made a few hasty (incorrect) assumptions... A deeper dive into them to follow. So... As always, your corrections and any thoughts will be needed, encouraged and appreciated Gents. tony 🍻 PS This could take a while 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1812 Overture Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On the Chinese trading website, I once saw a Carr's Legion Cross made of gold with a wreath around the cross.. But it's very expensive, it's already on sale now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted August 9, 2023 Author Share Posted August 9, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 13:18, 1812 Overture said: On the Chinese trading website, I once saw a Carr's Legion Cross made of gold with a wreath around the cross.. But it's very expensive, it's already on sale now Any chance you saved a picture 1812 ? tony 🍻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted August 12, 2023 Author Share Posted August 12, 2023 Hi Gents The GW is identified as Grossman Wien. There is still an MKT to try and find…🤞 tony 🍻 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Farkas said: Hi Gents The GW is identified as Grossman Wien. There is still an MKT to try and find…🤞 tony 🍻 Well Done Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Hi Tony KMT could be similar like the German KMST -Königliche Muenzamt Stuttgart Famous German Maker for making 1914 Iron Cross 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1812 Overture Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 On 10/08/2023 at 03:57, Farkas said: Any chance you saved a picture 1812 ? tony 🍻 This demon needed 4600 yuan to purchase at that time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted August 13, 2023 Author Share Posted August 13, 2023 12 hours ago, 1812 Overture said: This demon needed 4600 yuan to purchase at that time How much of that is paint tho?? 👀 Whats the story 1812? 🍻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unmo300 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) FA - Franz Adler Metallwarenfabrik GW - Győrffy és Wolf Fémipari Rt. Edited September 11, 2023 by unmo300 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted September 12, 2023 Author Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 11/09/2023 at 21:19, unmo300 said: FA - Franz Adler Metallwarenfabrik GW - Győrffy és Wolf Fémipari Rt. Fantastic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 01:53, Farkas said: Hi Gents, continuing the summary first… There are 4 marked HMA. - HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) in my opinion. There are 3 marked JC - Johann Christelbaur & Son There are 3 marked FA I haven’t seen this attributed to a particular maker so… I’m inclined to say FA represents… - FESTUNGSARTILLERIE (Fortress Artillery) If HEERESMATERIALAMT (Army Ordnance) is acceptable as maker HMA then why not FESTUNGSARTILLERIE (Fortress Artillery) also? Any thoughts welcome as always 👍 tony 🍻 *** Just 5 left to summarise, then onto pictures of the KTK, the stamps and details. FA is the mark of Franz Adler from Vienna On 12/08/2023 at 15:40, 1812 Overture said: This demon needed 4600 yuan to purchase at that time I'm pretty sure I saw it in the emedals archive some time ago. It will probably have been an officer who was not happy to have the same decoration as the troop and would have had it personalized, as happened with the kanonenkreuz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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