Christian Zulus Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Nakhimov Medal to comrade GnultschinskyGentlemen,in 1996 I bought this medal with document in Vienna. It came with a new replacement ribbon in the booklet, but I kept the old one of course.The (numbered ) Valour Medal is missing and the Nakhimov Medal is still unresearched.Best regards ChristianBTW: I paid in 1996 for my Nakhimov EUR 145,-, which was quite cheap even for the "Golden Years" of Soviet collecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share Posted December 28, 2007 Nakhimov Medal s/n. 2.200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 EUR 145 in 1996? That was about 150 dollars back then! That was your once in a lifetime bargain!! It is a beautiful piece. Please get the research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share Posted December 28, 2007 EUR 145 in 1996? That was about 150 dollars back then! That was your once in a lifetime bargain!! It is a beautiful piece. Please get the research! Dear Paul,many thanks .This Nakhimov and another Uzhakov Medal (without documents) will be researched rather soon .My once in a lifetime bargain hadn't been that Nakhimov Medal, but Sgt. Gnitienko's full cavalier of the Glory set of the 1st category, as it turned out after the comprehensive research:- correct s/n. of the Glory 1cl- Glory 1cl in an almost 10/10 condition- excellent, very early & historic important citations of all 3 Glorieshttp://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5536 (citations are at the end of the thread)I paid in january 1994 EUR 1.380,- for the set ..... Today's market value (dealer's retail price!) of Gnitienko's set might be already beyond USD 20.000,- Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Dear Paul,many thanks .This Nakhimov and another Uzhakov Medal (without documents) will be researched rather soon .My once in a lifetime bargain hadn't been that Nakhimov Medal, but Sgt. Gnitienko's full cavalier of the Glory set of the 1st category, as it turned out after the comprehensive research:- correct s/n. of the Glory 1cl- Glory 1cl in an almost 10/10 condition- excellent, very early & historic important citations of all 3 Glorieshttp://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5536 (citations are at the end of the thread)I paid in january 1994 EUR 1.380,- for the set ..... Today's market value (dealer's retail price!) of Gnitienko's set might be already beyond USD 20.000,- Best regards ChristianHerr Zulus, why not just sell the cavelier group to me for 3.000 Euro then. You make >100% profit and I get a good deal - everybody happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share Posted December 28, 2007 Herr Zulus, why not just sell the cavelier group to me for 3.000 Euro then. You make >100% profit and I get a good deal - everybody happy Dear Mr. Bob,that's really a generous & serious offer with 100 % profit .Maybe you would also like the Nakhimov Medal for EUR 300,- .Best regards ChristianBTW: I won't even sell the Gnitienko set for EUR 30.000,- . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 In Dutch we have a saying: he who doesn't dare to ask, already has "no" as an answer Seriously, great awards you have. Would be nice to see a picture of how you display them or are they safely locked away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share Posted December 28, 2007 Seriously, great awards you have. Would be nice to see a picture of how you display them or are they safely locked away?Dear Bob,many thanks .That's a look to a part of my modest collection: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16223The drawers with the more expensive items & groups are usually in my family's safe at the bank, otherwise the insurance would be far too expensive ... If a collector-friend visits me, I fetch the drawers from our bank and display the full collection .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 My once in a lifetime bargain hadn't been that Nakhimov Medal, but Sgt. Gnitienko's full cavalier of the Glory set of the 1st category, as it turned out after the comprehensive research:- correct s/n. of the Glory 1cl- Glory 1cl in an almost 10/10 condition- excellent, very early & historic important citations of all 3 GloriesI paid in january 1994 EUR 1.380,- for the set ..... The Gods must love you in a BIG way!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted December 29, 2007 Author Share Posted December 29, 2007 The Gods must love you in a BIG way!! Dear Paul,our researcher does always a perfect job and Podolsk is a well organized archive .I am not sure, if "God" lives in Podolsk - maybe, who knows .In december 1993 I inherited a savings book from my passed away grandfather with some thousend Dollars. I didn't really need the money, since 1980 I had my academic interest in Soviet history and so I invested the money into the nice Soviet items, I saw in the shop windows of three major dealers in Vienna. That's the simple story, how I got into Soviet phaleristics and how I got my crown jewels for an bargain - just the right time for investment .The fact is, that without the research, Gnitienko's Glory-set would have far less than 50 % of it's actual market value, besides the fact, that the research induced "living history" into the 3 medals.Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 I know what you mean... Right time and right place. I was lucky too. Nothing like a XX Anniversary of Red Army with photoed document for 200 dollars and a screwback ORB with some enamel replacement(minor) for 190 dollars!! Most of my Soviet Orders and medals I would not be able to afford today! My only regret is that I did not get some of the items I wanted when I could have actually afforded them. I remember Igor offering me a Nakhimov medal without document for 200 dollars, but I wanted a whole bunch of WW2 Campaign medals he had at the time, instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted December 29, 2007 Author Share Posted December 29, 2007 I know what you mean... Right time and right place. I was lucky too. Nothing like a XX Anniversary of Red Army with photoed document for 200 dollars and a screwback ORB with some enamel replacement(minor) for 190 dollars!! Most of my Soviet Orders and medals I would not be able to afford today! My only regret is that I did not get some of the items I wanted when I could have actually afforded them. I remember Igor offering me a Nakhimov medal without document for 200 dollars, but I wanted a whole bunch of WW2 Campaign medals he had at the time, instead... Dear Paul,in 1994 a wasted EUR 150,- into a faked screwback ORB and in 2000 I found a genuine one T2/V2 s/n. 41.317 at the flea market in Vienna for EUR 36,- (thirtysix).I didn't buy a cased HSU for EUR 800,-, a Suvorov 2cl (erased s/n.) for EUR 950,-, a Suvorov 1cl (genuine, but with "museum"-stamp and without s/n.) for EUR 2.900,-, a Uzhakov 2cl for EUR 4.500,- or a Kutuzov 1cl for EUR 5.000,- in the year 1994 .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Dear Paul,in 1994 a wasted EUR 150,- into a faked screwback ORB and in 2000 I found a genuine one T2/V2 s/n. 41.317 at the flea market in Vienna for EUR 36,- (thirtysix).I didn't buy a cased HSU for EUR 800,-, a Suvorov 2cl (erased s/n.) for EUR 950,-, a Suvorov 1cl (genuine, but with "museum"-stamp and without s/n.) for EUR 2.900,-, a Uzhakov 2cl for EUR 4.500,- or a Kutuzov 1cl for EUR 5.000,- in the year 1994 .Best regards ChristianYesterday's missed opportunities are today's broken hearts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted December 29, 2007 Author Share Posted December 29, 2007 Yesterday's missed opportunities are today's broken hearts... Dear Paul,I am a Catholic and happy with my small collection .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Very nice - it will be very interesting to see what the research reveals.On a side note I find 50% of the collecintg part is finding the item , the other 50% is banging our heads against the wall when we "could have and should have..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted December 30, 2007 Author Share Posted December 30, 2007 50% is banging our heads against the wall when we "could have and should have..." Dear Charles,banging our heads is not up to our Christian belief .Someone other is happy with that award our group .Best regards ChristianBTW: We are not the owners of our collections of Soviet awards, we just keep them. The owner is the recipient - or the people of the (non-existing) Soviet Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddywhack Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 (edited) wow!!!that was a fantastic bargin!!!!!love the ribbion on it!!!that shows beatiful wear and tear!!!though have to add my bargin was an order of alexander nevsky for ?120 irish pounds in 2002!!!!! Edited January 3, 2008 by paddywhack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 Gentlemen,some more - and better - pics of my Nakhimov Medal.Might this medal (+ the entry in the booklet) be a high-end fake ?Many thanks for your expertise .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom R Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Christian;Unfortunately, appears to be a fake. Not enough rivets on either side.Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 Unfortunately, appears to be a fake. Not enough rivets on either side.Dear Tom,many thanks for your expertise .How many rivets should be on each side and how many has my item ?Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom R Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Christian;I count 105 on both sides of yours, although possibly 106. Its easy to lose count. McDaniel & Schmitt indicate 110 obverse and 111 reverse.Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom R Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Christian;I say rivets but actually mean the small dots circling the outer edges. Sorry!Tom :speechless: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 I count 105 on both sides of yours, although possibly 106. Its easy to lose count. McDaniel & Schmitt indicate 110 obverse and 111 reverse.Dear Tom,many thanks for the information .So, if there is no variation of strucking by the mint with lesser dots and differnt letters, then "Houston, we have a problem" ... Well, I bought the set rather late in the year 1996 and this had been a time, when high-end fakes were on the market. And it is rather easy to fake a Nakhimov Medal ... .I had two Nakhimovs in my collection. One was a outright fake: Far too thick and a poor relief of Nakhimovs face. I give it as a gift to a collectors friend, who wanted the faked Nakhimov, despite the fact, that it was a 100 % fake.Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleg Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 This is fake. Everything is wrong about this medal. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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