Bavaria What do you know about Bavarian MVOs and MVKs

[spolei]

Only Nr. 1 is a quite good Leser which was awarded in wartime.

[waldo]

On 23.10.2017 at 18:55, spolei said:

Only Nr. 1 is a quite good Leser which was awarded in wartime.

I agree with that. I do not like the other pieces.
Greeting Walter

 

[Uffz. Rohleder]

I got those two for my dad.

What do you think about them?

[waldo]

Both MVKs are pieces from the awarding period. The first is from Deschler, 
the second is from Lauer. At the second, the back would be interesting.

 

Best regards Walter

[Uffz. Rohleder]

thank you very much Walter. I Post the reverse when im Home

[Uffz. Rohleder]

here is the reverse of the cross

[spolei]

Typical Lauer, first type with the huge swords

[Uffz. Rohleder]

thank yoh very much. how long did they made this type?

[spolei]

Lauer delivers the Ordenskanzlei till 1916.
So you won`t see red boxes for the Lauer-crosses.
This type was the first from beginning. The second type has smaller swords.
Type 1 up
Type 2 down
 

[Uffz. Rohleder]

Again thank you. Now I can see the difference between them.

[waldo]

On 19.11.2017 at 18:30, spolei said:

Lauer delivers the Ordenskanzlei till 1916.

Servus Andreas,

Ordenskanzlei verstehe ich nicht. Die gab es doch erst nach 1918. Es müsste wohl Kgl. Bayerisches Kriegsministerium heißen, oder irre ich mich da?

Gruß Walter

[Martin-]

Hi all,

this is my first post here, so please be patient with me.

Recently on German Ebay many MVK1st class have popped up, all of which look repaired or restored. I would like to know your opinion on these pieces which sold for fairly low prices except for the one with crown. On of them was even sold twice, but the old auction from November can not be accessed anymore. 

I myself am very interested in the MVKs so I would like to post more questions and observations in the future. 

Hopefully this post is not too large. A single screenshot from an ipad amounts already to a 7mb file.

Thanks and regards,

Martin

[Red Eagle]

All of them looked manipulated! Most of them will be a (self-)gilded 3rd. Class.

[Martin-]

Thats what I thought! The gold looks so good and new that I can not imagine a 100 year old decoration would look like that. The one with the crown is the only one with a realistic touch to it.

[spolei]

Bad fakes

[Martin-]

So they fake the center medallion? I did not expect that. Good to know, thank you!

 

Imagine paying 100 to 150€ for such a fake!

[Claudius]

9 hours ago, Martin- said:

Hi all,

this is my first post here, so please be patient with me.

Recently on German Ebay many MVK1st class have popped up, all of which look repaired or restored. I would like to know your opinion on these pieces which sold for fairly low prices except for the one with crown. On of them was even sold twice, but the old auction from November can not be accessed anymore. 

I myself am very interested in the MVKs so I would like to post more questions and observations in the future. 

Hello Martin;

I am glad you can join us on this forum. 

In my opinion, if you are interested in buying MVKs, I would recommend a well-established dealer.  Their websites make it clear that they guarantee the authenticity, and will buying back something if it is shown to be a fake.  

I look forward to your future posts.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Welcome Martin,

I must admit, i did not realise these were being faked that much???

[Martin-]

Cladius, Chris, thank you for your warm welcome!

Spolei has helped me via PM to understand why these are indeed fakes, thanks a lot!

The funny thing is that currently there are more 1st class on Ebay than 2nd class. And we all know that this does not reflect the actual award numbers.

So, as promised what little I have so far:

Original post-war bar of Xaver Hauser.

Swords are Deschler.

Cant upload more because the system tries to merge the post and I exceed the upload limit. Which was no problom when I uploaded the 7mb plus photos above... Its not much you are missing, just two late war boxes from Weiss with MVK3rd class.

Edited January 27, 2018 by Martin-

[Martin-]

Mistake in post, trying to delete

Edited January 29, 2018 by Martin-
Posted with wrong photos

[waldo]

Hello Martin
At the higher levels, you should be extra careful. MVK 1 with crown and swords is very often forged. 
An original of Leser you can see in my post above. Exactly so an original must look by Leser. Other
versions of Leser are not original. 

Regards Walter

[Martin-]

Hi Walter,

vielen Dank! 

Mein MVK1b sieht so aus. Spolei hatte mich darauf hingewiesen. Daher denke ich dass es original ist.

Schöne Grüße,

Martin

And you all know my new MVK2a. Its the one from Chris, which I bought from him today :-)

Thank you Chris!

[Uffz. Rohleder]

Hi all, 

I missed that cross. Did I made a mistake? Looks like someone took the swords off (?) 

But the price was 80€ on this one. The cheapest I ever saw so far. 

But is it a real one? Im always scared about those enamel crosses. 

 

 

[waldo]

Hello, this MVK 2. Kl. X was an original piece, in which the swords were missing 
and a damage in the enamel is recognizable. These 2nd classes with swords can 
often get between 80 and 120 euros. Without swords and with damage, I find 80 
euros for this peace not cheap.

I hope that brings you a little further.

Best regards Walter

Edited September 2, 2018 by waldo

[spolei]

This is a Deschler second class with "lost" swords.