GdC26 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 One should think that general offices would know the regulations ........ or perhaps Herr Generalleutnant is making a fashion statement? Best wishes, Sandro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Auld Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Whos going to tell him he's wrong? Quite unusual. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 You should think that being surrounded by other general's, he might notice that either all of his colleagues have gotten it wrong or ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÖSTA Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 It's probably a silly question but somebody has to ask!! What has the General got wrong? Breast Star not in the correct position perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) It's probably a silly question but somebody has to ask!! What has the General got wrong? Breast Star not in the correct position perhaps? I thought that would be obvious from the comparison of the gentleman in the enlargement with the other gents in the pic, but perhaps I'm wrong. Check out the collar tabs.... Edited January 10, 2015 by GdC26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 That is not a minor mistake, but major big time. How could the tailor have messed that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 That is not a minor mistake, but major big time. How could the tailor have messed that up? And how could the general miss it when putting on the litewka .....? Es gibt nichts das es nicht gegeben hat ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÖSTA Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Gentlemen, thank you very much for the kind and gentle reprimand. My focus was on the Orders, Medals & Decorations. Never noticed the Kragenspiegel. You live and learn!! That is what it is all about eh? Kind regards. Östa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) And how could the general miss it when putting on the litewka .....? Es gibt nichts das es nicht gegeben hat ..... By the tentative look on his face ("have they noticed?"), I think he realised the moment he put his new litewka on but, with ten minutes before the parade, there was no time to do anything about it Good spot, GdC26! Edited January 10, 2015 by Trooper_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Auld Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Imagine the kerfuffle if that jacket turned up now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Likey, it would be dismissed as a fabrication, which in part is why I (bought and) posted the pic .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÖSTA Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Hallo Gentleman, Have a look at this site: http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militaria-lexikon.de%2Fassets%2Fimages%2F9.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militaria-lexikon.de%2Fkatalog%2Fwk2%2Fwk2_bericht8%2Fmilitaria-lexikon_de_-_die_ran.html&h=183&w=376&tbnid=YO6WBBo6DkPjkM%3A&zoom=1&docid=da1GevbsHtDa6M&ei=5UqxVPCdI8nuPJ2YgOgK&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=566&page=1&start=0&ndsp=25&ved=0CHAQrQMwGA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) Hallo Gentleman, Have a look at this site: http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militaria-lexikon.de%2Fassets%2Fimages%2F9.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militaria-lexikon.de%2Fkatalog%2Fwk2%2Fwk2_bericht8%2Fmilitaria-lexikon_de_-_die_ran.html&h=183&w=376&tbnid=YO6WBBo6DkPjkM%3A&zoom=1&docid=da1GevbsHtDa6M&ei=5UqxVPCdI8nuPJ2YgOgK&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=566&page=1&start=0&ndsp=25&ved=0CHAQrQMwGA Östa, I'm looking at it, but what specifically, are your drawing our attention to, please? To be clear - the picture that started this thread shows Kronprinz Rupprecht von Bayern with several bavarian generals during a postwar gathering. Most generals wear Bavarian style generals tunics with the prussian style collar tabs (Altlarisch) adopted by Bavaria in 1916 (if memory serves). The general I have singled out in the second picture wears a Litewka with what appears to be a Bavarian Borte in front of the collar tabs, and has the collar tabs mounted the wrong way around. I scanned the link you sent me, but see nothing that addresses (i) Bavarian uniforms and (ii) the mounting of the collar tabs in the manner done by the general shown in the second pic. Edited January 10, 2015 by GdC26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÖSTA Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) I think I got it wrong! Edited January 10, 2015 by ÖSTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Hallo GdC26, I am simply pointing out an alternative point of view. What alternative point of view? These collar tabs are (i) WWII vintage and (ii) shown in the right direction - assuming the collar is pointing down, this is how they should be mounted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Just came across this thread. The Generalleutnant with the messed-up collar tabs is, I believe, Generalleutnant Eduard Lang (1860-1935) He is wearing the officer's cross (pin-back) to the Bavarian Military Merit Order, which was only introduced for a few years, not many got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted April 15, 2017 Author Share Posted April 15, 2017 Thanks Chris. I was trying to find his face on the web - do you have a picture of hte Generalleuntant? You're right about the officers cross (introduced in 1905 if I'm not mistaken), but Lang was certainly not the only Bavarian general who got one. Regards, Sandro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, GdC26 said: Thanks Chris. I was trying to find his face on the web - do you have a picture of hte Generalleuntant? You're right about the officers cross (introduced in 1905 if I'm not mistaken), but Lang was certainly not the only Bavarian general who got one. Regards, Sandro Not the only one, no. But there are not too many with the Officer's Cross. After looking into the rank lists, I can rule out all the others. This general has surprisingly many plain-looking medals on his bar, for a general. Actually, that fits, because Lang held the Centenary and the China Medal, both unusual for a Bavarian. I'm pretty sure it is him. Edited April 16, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Hello : Really curious ,the General appears to have composed a personal parade dress .Litewka with plain buttons , helm and feldbinde . the alt larisch braid pointed to the back of the collar is tailor mistake ? or a bavarian invention? possible . the bavarians never acepted without reserves the prussian style . As anecdotical I say to the forists that here in Argentina between 1932 and 1941 generals weared the alt larisch braid over a red patch sewed to the closed collar of the white tunic of the summer parade dress only and the braid was pointed to the back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Can you post close-ups of the other officers and their awards too? I'm sure they can all be identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted April 16, 2017 Author Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Bayern said: "the alt larisch braid pointed to the back of the collar is tailor mistake ? or a bavarian invention?" Hello Bayern, it's not a bavaraian invention. From the top of my head, the Bavarians introduced the "Altlarische" stickerei in 1916, and expressed their independence by placing a small checkered Tresse (Borte) in Bavaraian state colours in front of hte prussian style insignia. I think you can see that in the pic at hand as well. Is it me, or is the altlarische stickerei on the left side of the collar (seen from the front) lower than on the right? If so, that could perhaps indicate a rush job to get ready for the parade .... Regards, Sandro Edited April 16, 2017 by GdC26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) The one second from right is Generalleutnant Ludwig Ritter von Tutschek (1864-1937) At the neck, he is wearing the Max Joseph Commander grade above his Pour le Merite. He also has the Bavarian Military Merit Order 2nd class star with swords, and on his bar you see, in second-to-last position, a Swedish Order of the Sword (listed in the 1914 ranklist and in his DOA 1908/09 entry). Edited April 24, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) The Major at the center can probably not be identified, but he is wearing a number of 1920s unofficial awards like the Kyffhäuser Medal - and he also has the Hungarian War Remembrance Medal. This actually means that the photo must have been taken between 1929, when this Medal was first handed out, and 1934, when the Hindenburg Cross replaced all the unofficial awards. Edited April 17, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 17 hours ago, GdC26 said: Sandro : I know about the bavarian borte , and ,its possible that all was a taylor mistake , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) The General standing next to the Crown Prince is Generalmajor Otto Staubwasser (1866-1949) He is wearing the Officer's Cross to the Bavarian MMO, the version with swords, awarded during WW1 (in his case, on 12.10.1917 as Oberst and Battalion commander of the 2nd IR). On his tunic is also the Officer's Cross of the Mecklenburg Greifenorden. The combination of these two awards makes him identifiable. There would have been a second candidate, Generalmajor Georg Steinbauer, however he had a Prussian Red Eagle with swords. Staubwasser has a Red Eagle on his bar, but that one is clearly without swords. Edited April 24, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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