You misconstrue me. I am talking about them as places to visit, it was not some cheap shot across the bows. HMS Victory is an amazing sight to visit. Do not get me wrong USS Constitution has an important place in Naval history and is the oldest warship afloat. It also makes for a very interesting tour. But you can't compare a frigate to a 1st Rate ship of the line, (which was also importantly Nelson flagship at Trafalgar). If you enjoyed USS Constitution all I will say is go and visit HMS Victory before making your mind up. As for 1812 war, well by that time, behemoths such as Victory were starting to be assigned to the scrap yard. The 1812 war certainly started to re shape Naval warfare and USS Constitution and other the Ironsides certainly seriously outgunned and outsailed their Royal Navy counterparts. It gave the Royal Navy a bloody nose on several occasions losing several ships, HMS Guerriere, HMS Macedonian, & HMS Java to name but three. But USS President, Chesapeake and Essex also met their match. But like the war of 1812 there are no winners in this game, so each to his own