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I cannot remeber exactely if I saw a fake like this before or just similar ones. I'm focusing on real ones. Interresting purity marks! What country or area are they from?!

The EK1 looks like a fire damage cross... ? So probably due that it lost his silver finish and black paint...

Fact 4, this is a bullshit recent fake with idiotic bogus PKZ mark "6" to indicate it were made by Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart.

Iron and silver were not to rare, while brass/bronze was. This is a typical weares copy from the 20s to 30s, which aparently lost it's silver and black paint. You see this quite often, at least two of the three variations that are known. I'm having several of these currently in my shop.

At last, both (actually, also the EK2) are not awarded ones, but later private purchase examples. The fact that there are no (zero!) awards of this Baden medal known, makes this group highly suspicious. However, the ribbons and sewing don't look to bad for mid-1930s.

I think that was what we agreed it to be the last time, and I still think it's right.

And I'm pretty sure it's real silver, as I'm with any awarded WW1 era cross.

No, of course not. That's why I stressed WW1. For 1870, you'll find them to any actual non-combattant. I think Komtur explained it recently more detailled. But I'm not sure if it was here or somewhere else.

That one! Just kidding, haven't seen it on offer... but that's an highly interresting combination. Don't forget, the "EK2w" was for stay-at-homes only in WW1...

Found a picture of mentioned bar on homepage of DGO (former "BDOS"). Well... that's one I'd take either...

Posted a new one to the "Prussian" thread with the older type: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/26972-prussian-medals-bar-with-russian-st-anne-medal/ A huge medal bar to Royal Saxon NCO (Vizefeldwebel Ernst Bartsch) with 1911/1917 type of St. Anne medal could be seen in Altenburg castle, Thüringen/Germany in a recent exhibition on royal Saxon awards. It's also in the exhibition catalog, but I'm not sure about copyright in this case.

Theodor, this is not just a good one, it's a lovely one! I recently bought a very similar one, same maker, same variation, same great condition. As these were worn in field, maybe the wearer(s) was (were) killed in action very soon after he (they) received it. garfordhouse, the cross you show is a WW1 era or slightly younger wearers' copy. Great quality, at least if they are in nicer condition, with a blued core. Maker is probably C. F. Zimmermann from Pforzheim. A forum search on Latvian fake should bring some of them up for a compare.

No, it's not an hallmark. The whole award is gilt brass, the upper ring probably (modern) replaced, and with some scratches and so. There are probably nicer ones... Anyone? There must be some more out...

Close up of Russian decoration:

I can add this group from my yesterday's update to this great thread. The Prussian long service award might be a non-matching replacement and the St. Anne order's medal is damaged... but still, a nice group!

Right Don, that's why I said it's not a proove. Find me a CD cross in a Ringele paper and we're 1:1. :whistle:

Almost, yes, but your guy, Dean, wasn't a 1870 veteran. Othervise very similar.

CD is one of the very few that are not only guessed but with some nice indication: a CD cross found in a blue paper by Dillenius. Not a proove - but more than this new find.

I don't see anything called into question by now, at least nothing of the mentioned. But, nice findings. ;)

Chris, you're probably right. However I can hardly imagine a woman "at home" would have gotten the cross. There were some other awards, some especially and some also for woman, that were probably enough for the encouraged ladies at home.

I'd rather read the 3rd ribbon as a Bulgarian bravery award (no chance to tell which) and the last as an Ottoman war medal, so called Galipoli star. Probably not enough to identify the wearer, I guess. But it does look real to me. Nice one!

It's called "Beamten-Mikado" in German. :lol:

#1 dates the photo to at least 1911, #3 to 1913. It could be either the 2nd or 3rd class. Notice: he apparently did not want to buy battle clasps for his 1870/71 medal, although he had about 20 years to think about it!

Nice old thread! Just one question: Would not all ladied that got the EK2 in WW1 have gotten it on "combattant" ribbon, as they probably all were near the front, far away from home?

Regarding the listing on wikipedia, I have serve doubts he got an Austrian military merit medal, as those never went to foreigners.