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More likely the iron medal for the 1918 jubilee, given in 1921 - as well to the "K?nigstreuen" ...

It was a pleasure, immer wieder gerne ... As none of those bars has not even one single Baden award on it I think I might give them away again, but not n o w. If someone would like to get these, please offer me something "similar" from Baden ... or, if noone wants to give me some nice Baden stuff - just some money ... PS: Talking about "something similar": has someone ever seen a ribbon bar with Baden life saving medal?!

Even closer ...

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Great, just great, these Karl Friedrichs ... Here an old one in wear, with a "white and black" Iron Cross IInd and Ist class !!! The awards are: - Baden, Orden vom Z?hringer L?wen, Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse mit Schwertern; - Preu?en, Roter Adler-Orden II. Klasse mit Eichenlaub; - Preu?en, Kronenorden II. Klasse mit Stern; - ?sterreich, Franz Joseph-Orden, Kommandeurkreuz I. Klasse(?); - Baden, Orden vom Z?hringer L?wen, Kommandeurkreuz I. Klasse; - Preu?en, Eisernes Kreuz 1870 I. Klasse; - Preu?en, Eisernes Kreuz 1870 II. Klasse am wei?-schwarzen Band; - Baden, Milit?r-Karl Friedrich-Verdienstorden, Ritterkreuz (II. Modell); - Preu?en, Kriegsdenkm?nze 1870/71 am Band f?r Combattanten, in Stahl oder Bronze(?); - Baden, Felddienst-Auszeichnung mit zwei Gefechtsspangen; - Baden, Ged?chtnismedaille 1849; - Baden, Dienstauszeichnungskreuz II. Klasse; - ?sterreich, Orden der Eisernen Krone III. Klasse; - no idea ??? - no idea ??? - no idea ??? I would appreciate if you helped me with the three last awards. My help for you: it is Dr. Bernhard Beck, Oberstabsarzt und Feldlazarett-Direktor. I hope this helps ...

Officer or Offiziersstellvertreter? That's in my humble opinion impossible, as the Baden Silver merit medal is the lowest Bravery award in World War I, given to Soldiers and (lower) NCOs. An Offiziersstellvertreter (very high NCO, isn't it)?) should have gotten a Z?hringer Merit cross on Karl Friedrich ribbon, and an officer a Z?hringer Lion Order ...

Sorry, I'll have to look this up first. I don't know these strange thigs ... Oh no Rick, don't argue with pre1918 bars! He got a BZL3bXEl later in the war ...

Rick, I'm sorry to tell you so, but: you are w r o n g ... It is a Bavarian jubilee medal, and I've got no idea how he got this one and ended World War I without a long service decoration ...

Oh my goodness, I saw this bar once when it came up (on Ebay, right?!) and never was able to forget it again. Someone has numbers for Z?hringer with swords awarded for China and Colonies?! Not many, I guess ... Great bar, thanks for showing it here.

The 3rd ribbon is for the Hessen Bravery medal, the 4th is an unusual and actually quite rare Austrian Order of the Iron Crown, 3rd class ...

I've been today in Illingen. Actually, I'm going there to see and to learn and to have some nice talks, but if there's something to buy - well, why not. Three ribbon bars was it in total, a matching pair of two and a third one from a second seller - and with these ones, I think I know what the green ribbon has to be - on a RM wearer from Braunschweig: the Brunswick live saving medal as well as the Prussian! The combination is very simliar to Hauptmann von Grone's, but it isn't the same ... The third one is just a nice one with Hohenzollern House order and Austrian Iron crown - not too common on German bars.

My apologize for beeing "offtopic", but please tell me what do you think is the last one on this bar? I've got it's big brother, so I know it yet ...

Nice and interresting bar indeed, with the strange order ... Well, they're not to incommon. Wanna see some? If I was him, I would have placed the bavarian in last position then ...

The bars were not awarded until 1866, so the early ones are exremely rare, give to those handfull ex-soldiers in their late 70s at least ... In Baden, nice medals are actually possible to get, but really hard it's with nice old ribbons - and the bars, of course. I have by now none others than the common "1866" and "1870-1871", my father has as well the bit rarer "1870" and "1871" - no others, and we a r e looking for those ... The medals were not awarded for any war later than 1870/71, neither for China and colonial campaigns nor for World War I.

Not mine and I think the pictures are not to be used in your article Rick, bvut you have to have seen the devices (!!!) on the German/Austrian/Ottoman ribbon bars that were here in auction. The prices were limits, I have neither an idea what those beauties were really sold for nor when the auction was or is ... http://www.sixbid.com/home/auctions/ams/am...lt/h1_00016.htm

Swords only? Hmmmm ... Oh Rick, you might need crowns and wreaths as well - just as they are from one bar, okay? I think I'll post some more, but have to re-scan them first and I'm a bit short in time these days, sorry ...

I'll look tomorrow. I'm pretty sure to have some, well at least one which is still missing. =)

No, he got M.V.K. This is a little but veryyy important differnce ...

BUT some were awarded 3bXEL and had to give back their 3bX! Strange thing, as they used to award oakleaves in addition, but this may not have been "up to date" in early 20th century? It seems to have been very common at least in early 19th century, I'd guess ... BTW, H. G?ring did promote his 3bX to a 3bXEl ...

No idea who's the second, just would have recognized the first. But I had never recognized the IInd's bar as a GENERAL's bar, if it showed up on market ... :speechless1:

Well, the seller claims it to be "post 1918" - I'm pretty sure he's right. Don't we know what "post 1918" means in Ebay language? Does it mean 1923, or does it mean 1978?!

There are many, many RAO 3rd class with bow without a Crown Order on the bar, as many of those had a 2nd class - on the neck, of course. The Landwehr-Dienstauszeichnung IInd class, Schnalle (pre1913) as well as the medal (post1913) were worn by all ranks, yes - but a high officer with REO 3rd class "should" have a long service awards Ist class ... There might be exceptions, and if he wasn't a military anymore when he got the REO then for civil merit, as I said - not problem with this.

And presumably a KO2, doesn't it? If the awards a r e for civil merit, all can go. Here the major of Heidelberg: Landwehr long service IInd class, but yet some neck badges ...

No, it is more likely a Hanseatencross from Hamburg ...

No Centenarmedaille and the picture seems to be an old one from about (hard to tell for me) 1890-1910 era, so without Centenar most likely short before 1897. Think this has to go. Pre 1913 it is anyway with the long service award ... This is W?rttemberg, long service award 3rd class.