Stogieman

Nice repair/restoration Paul..

Concur with Tom, not at all like any I have seen from 1813, 1820-50. Crappy detail....

I'm pretty surprised at the life this thread has taken on. An interesting discussion for sure. Depite my "(Truly) Evil Twin's?" paranoia, I have yet to see a fake incused silver mark of German origin. I believe what you have here is a privately made, in Germany OPW for someone who wanted it. probably ca 1950-60. That would be my guess, for what it's worth.

That's a very nice little bar David!

No idea as to authenticity, thought you would find it interesting! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=160005553544

I missed the end... lucky dog!

OK, that was a brave leap forward.....

Christophe, is this one of the Ziege bars?

What I REALLY want to know, is did some CLOWN F---K up a stunning little mini by laying fake minibars over the top? OR, did some proud soldier actually add these himself? Note that the mini-bars are actually mounted on an additional piece of ribbon!!

Up close & personal....

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OK, Don't make me call out the Spanish Inquisition! WHO amongst you is the secret, new owner of this tasty little tidbit??

They mounted the MKF RK Wreath S~I~D~E~W~A~Y~S~ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Alexandre... I see you have posted a bunch of threads asking for photos... try a quick Forum Search and often you'll find what you're looking for! Best Regards, Rick

Looks like he just set it down a little too hard on the tail and the airframe buckled... note all the panels/skin laying haphazardly about...

Nice job Mark. Looks quite correct now!

Sorry, sorry, sorry Andrei. I plead a late night, exhausted post with minimal brain capacity left..... Mea Culpa.

OK, a point by point comparison of Gor's badge with a "textbook" Meybauer silver badge reveals far too many discrepencies. I will agree with Steve that it's most likely a new, laser-cut fake. Very well done. But not quite a match. The argument could be made that a different die was used by Meybauer to make clich? badges, but I doubt the design and characteristics of so, so many items would be so, so different. My vote would be not real Gor. Having said this, I think we need to go through a process when these (ever increasing supply of) new fake badges appear. It's not sufficient to just say fake. Steve mentioned some valid points with respects to the pin, but it would be foolish to assume Meybauer would use the same style of pin on two different style of badges. The color of the metal doesn't bother me as I would NOT expect a clich? badge to be of silver. An unwise durability choice in a single, thin, stamped sheet of metal. But rather a tin/steel badge that was then overwashed with a silver frost would be more likely, like the Juncker badges. Even the Juncker Air Gunner Badges bear very minor differences in die characteristics and pin construction. The issue AG's were not silver, but they did bear identical maker marks (excluding the 800 content mark).

Not a bad price at all. Check the rim for the inscription on the 1870/71 KDM. Nice bar!

This thread has become very interesting.... When I have the time, I will move a number of the posts to a new thread as "Discussion on an ORB variation/range. Andrei, I'm not sure I agree 100% with the "depth of enamel" thought. if you look again closely at your 2 pieces. The shape of the hammer (slight) & plow (MAJOR shape difference) are very distinctly different and IMO, different dies... Also, note the tops of the two "poles".. very different and not just from hand-finishing..

Give me a bit gents while I argue this one out with myself. report/analysis to follow soon. Thanks, kinda swamped at the office at the moment.

Hi Igor, I would not be so quick to dismiss this one outright. It's obviously based on Meybauer dies. the question becomes whether Meybauer issued/made/sold "issue" clich? (stamped) badges. The cut-outs do not bother me, they seem clean and correct and well-done. Since I found an actual photo of a cut-out PB being worn ca. 1918-20....... The detail would be extraordinary for a fake.......

Now that's a darn interesting document!!

Hi Steve, Welcome to The Forum!! Glad to have you with us!

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