Claudio

Thanks Elmar for showing this amazing group with a great story to tell. I cannot stop thinking, if this group will be auctioned, how much will be sold for. Hopefully this group will be kept together, but I seriously doubt it, also due to the high value on nowadays market of each piece. Ciao, Claudio

Hi Thomas, I guess you got the rest at Kube's auction, didn't you? I might know some details I don't (in red); can you provide them to me? 15.07.1903 Diensteintritt in die bayerische Armee 1904 Kgl. Bayerische Armee Patent als Fähnrich 08.03.1905 Leutnant im 2. Fußartillerie-Regiment 1905 Luitpold-Medaille 28.10.1912 Oberleutnant 25.12.1914 MVO 4. Klasse mit Schwertern 14.01.1912 Hauptmann (28.11.1914 gem. bayr. Dienstalterliste, Nr. 63 gem. Reichsheer-Dienstalterliste) 23.08.1918 MVO 4. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern im Dienste der Untergruppe Süd der schwersten Flachfeuergruppe, 18. Armee 31.01.1924 Rücktritt vom Artillerie-Regiment Nr. 7, 31. Januar 1924 02.10.1936 Dienstauszeichnungen 1. u. 3. Klasse 12.10.1937 Oberstleutnant (E) gemäß der Stellenbesetzung im OKH, Wa Prüf 4 01.02.1938 Dienstalterliste Oberst (E), Nr. 2 gem. Januar 1939 Stellenliste 1938 Anschluss-Erinnerungsmedaille Sudentenland 01.05.1940 Oberst z.D. gemäß Dienstaltersliste der Offiziere z.D. OKH, Wa Prüf 4 30.01.1941 KVK 2. Klasse mit Schwertern 30.07.1941 Anstellungsurkunde als Oberst, OU von Brauchitsch 01.02.1943 Generalmajor, gem. Rangliste 1944-45, Oberes Kommando des Heeres OKH, WaPrüf 4 Any other decorations (WWII) missing? Thanks in advance! ciao, Claudio

Reuss, Ehrenkreuz 3. Klasse mit Schwertern ciao, Claudio

Hi! My contribution to the thread: Reuss, Ehrenkreuz 4. Klasse mit Schwertern ciao, Claudio

Well, well... For starters the yellow ribbon with black stripes must be for the Mobilisierungs-Erinnerungskreuz (1912-13), see http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?products_id=1070. The sixth should be a Hanseatic Cross of Lübeck, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_Cross, but worn uncorrectly. The whole ribbon bar doesn't convince me very much, on the contrary... The combination is odd if not quite improbable, the order of the ribbon wrong, the stitching on the back quite messy and also the sword devices worn up-side-down... There isn't very much I like in this bar. I am sorry. ciao, Claudio

Hi Rudi! I join the comments of the fellow forumites; it's a fantastic, and what more important, complete group! Congrats! :jumping: :cheers: Ciao, Claudio

Yes, many more but not as many as we might thing...

That was what I thought, too. What about the Lübeck rolls as well?

Hi Christophe! Thanks for pointing that out... however in the text the medal was awarded to a Lady... Los Nr.5199 Konvolut Urkunden zu Oberleutnant der Infanterie Richard Scherzer. Beförderungsurkunden zum Leutnant (1910), zum Oberleutnant (1916), Verleihungsurkunden zum Ritterkreuz 2. Klasse des Albrechtsordens und zum Ritterkreuz 2. Klasse des Verdienstordens, jeweils mit Stempelunterschrift König Friedrich August III., dabei auch eine Verleihungsurkunde der Carola-Medaille in Silber an Auguste Natalie Schluttig mit Tintenunterschrift des Königs (1914). Weiterhin Dokumente zum Werdegang des Militärztes Dr. Hans-Joachim Scherzer (geb. 1914) sowie Fotografien von Familienangehörigen. ciao, Claudio

Thank you all for your kind words... ;)

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My last acquisition... small but indeed very "colorful"... Interesting for a Saxon field officer to have the Carola-Medaille's ribbon.

With the group came also a ribbon bar that it's evidently not of the owner, but may be of some other member of his family. It's a Prussian servant (non-combattant) combination, the Allg. Ehrenzeichen ribbon being placed first (just half of it, because very likely they couldn't find the 15mm ribbon for it).

The Mecklenburg-Strelitz cross for bravery (für Tapferkeit) is really heavily worn, even more than the Iron Cross 1st class. Interestingly this cross was also made by Paul Meybauer... the catch on the back has been replaced, but I think this was made by his original owner, since he proudly wore it quite frequently. The upper arm of the cross shows the copper-bronze colour of the metal, since the silvering is almost worn off. Although these crosses are not in pristine conditions, they have a lot of character and it shows that soldiers like the one above were really proud of wearing them, even in battle. I presume that this gay has seen a lot of action during WWI!

Iron cross 1st class, very heavily worn, but typical very good Paul Maybauer quality with the maker mark (coat of arms) and the silver mark (800).

Miniaturkette; as you can see also the miniature of the Treudienst 40 J has been denazified.

As you can see the Treudienst-Ehrenzeichen 1. Stufe für 40 Dienstjahre was taken off (denazified) from the medal bar. I just bought one in order to complete the bar. Picture of back:

Dear forumites, I'd like to present my latest purchase... it's quite a complete group of a pre-war NCO who was then promoted as office during the war. In fact the seller told me that he also got from the family a badly damaged Officers Pickelhaube and some shoulder straps but, unfortunately with the regiment number no more in place. The seller told me that strangely this officer was Prussian (Pickelhaube was Prussian), although it's quite clear that this soldier had very quite tight connection with Mecklenburg Strelitz. The combination Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Mecklenburg-Strelitz + the Hansa cross of Lübeck is quite unique to me, so very likely, if I can't get it from the seller as he promised to ask again the family who sold him the whole group, the wearer of these medals can be identified. I am pretty confident about it. Here's description of the medals: Medaillen: • Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, 1914 (OEK 1909), E/S • Mecklenburg-Schwerin, MVK 2. Klasse für Kämpfer 1914 (OEK 1352), G Br • Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Kreuz für Auszeichnungen im Kriege 2. Kl. für Kämpfer, 1914 (OEK 1412), S • Lübeck, Hansakreuz 1915-18 (OEK 1265), Ku Br vs • Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (OEK 3803/1), Herst. T&T L. (Tweer & Turck, Lüdenscheid) • Preußen, DA 2. Modell (1913-1920), 1. Kl. für den Soldatenstand nach 15 Dienstjahren, Kreuz (OEK 1974), Ku • Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Treudienst-Ehrenzeichen 1. Stufe, 40 Jahre (OEK 3522), Br vg • Ungarn, 1. Weltkriegs-Erinnerungsmedaille 1914-18 für Kämpfer Steckkreuze: • Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse, 1914 (OEK 1908), gewölbte Form, Herst. P. Meybauer, Silberpunze 800 • Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Kreuz 1. Kl. für Auszeichnungen im Kriege „für Tapferkeit“, 1914 (OEK 1414/1), Herst. P. Meybauer, Ku Br vs, Haken auf RS zeitgenössisch nachgelötet Any comments or clues in order to identify the possible bearer of this medal group are most appreciated. Thanks in advance! ciao, Claudio

Hi Detlev, I saw that bar at the show in Kassel. I didn't even ask the dealer to inspect it more closely, because I didn't like the fact that the order of the medals on the bar is completely off... The KVK should come after the EK (quite a common error for those soldiers who put together by themselves), but even worse the Finnish should come at last, as foreign order, not to speak about the fact that it's medallion is missing. Ciao, Claudio

Hi Paul, That is a great picture! Congrats! The IC 2nd class has been taken away and replaced... you can clearly see from the pictures (see below, the sloppy sewing and the position of the iron cross - lower than the Hambung Hansacross). Why people do that? I can't really understand... But at least the medal bar is the original one... some of the ribbons are exactly folded like on the picture. ciao, Claudio

Many thanks, dear Mike, for your research! The information you shared with me and the forumites is greatly appreciated! I am looking forward to see another photo of Daeuwel... Ciao, Claudio

I noticed that the description of this medal bar on Thies' Online auction is not anymore there. Has anyone saved the text of this article? There was a second bar depicted on top of the 10 place medal bar... I really need to know if in this description there was something more about being sold as part of a single group or separately. I am very thankful if anyone could help me. Ciao, Claudio

He could probably have received a BMWK and if he was already in service before WWI also a Long Service medal. Claudio

Thanks for your input... do you have more data on him? I don't have the "Wer ist Wer"... and I can't find him on my available lists... Nothing here... Seeoffiziere.tiff